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I submitted the petition to Canoe Wales with this letter. Their reply is below:
Canoe Wales wrote:Hi Pam
Canoe Wales board would like to thank those who wrote and signed the petition for their views.
We will be publishing a date shortly for the first meeting of the access forum. All enquiries please to nigel.midgley@canoewales.com'
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That's remarkable. In a response that would fit in a tweet, they have managed to speak volumes about just how much they care about the views of their membership and access to rivers in Wales.

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Leave it to a NGB to implode and make some idiotic decisions right at the moment when access to countryside and rivers is being officially debated by the Welsh Government...

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What the actual fuck!

Seriously, when did the WCA suddenly switch from being our champions of access into another BCU who does not give even half a shit about the people it is meant to be representing.

This level of contempt absolutely disgusts me.

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What a nice reply, it is twice as long as the one I got from Emma.

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I apologise for my language in this thread. I was (and still am) somewhat angry with the WCA and my emotions got the better of my politeness.

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StoneWeasel wrote:I apologise for my language in this thread. I was (and still am) somewhat angry with the WCA and my emotions got the better of my politeness.

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I think the rarity of such language only magnifies how useful such language can be at times of high emotion. If it were used more often it would lose all meaning. So apology not needed, but appreciated anyway.

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Time for Canoe Wales to step aside.

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Now, I don't know what they mean by this:
We will be publishing a date shortly for the first meeting of the access forum.
It certainly sounds like a non-committal response or maybe the introduction of a talking shop / long grass. I would have thought they had a well grounded policy on access and a further forum would be unnecessary.

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I think the rarity of such language only magnifies how useful such language can be at times of high emotion. If it were used more often it would lose all meaning. So apology not needed, but appreciated anyway.
unless you are Irish in which case its used as a verbal full stop when chatting to us,

Outside of that I really do despair at our governing body's they seem completely incapable of growing a set and getting their act together and supporting there memberships needs,

is it time for a new direction and development of a group/organisation that will have access and recreational paddlers at its core instead of being so focused on completion and the associated funding that comes with it
personal I feel its long over due
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I think that there is a need for continued/ increased pressure for a rapid and firm decision. Are there other avenues of public communication, e.g. a FB page?
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I don't understand?
What is wrong with the response?
It is polite, it thanks us for our contributions and mentions that there will be a further chance to contribute....

It seems a little late to be inaugerating an access forum but is this not a step in the right direction?

What did I miss?

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Jim wrote:I don't understand?
What is wrong with the response?
It is polite, it thanks us for our contributions and mentions that there will be a further chance to contribute....

It seems a little late to be inaugerating an access forum but is this not a step in the right direction?

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Jim, read what the petition actually asked...
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Er, that's not the petition I signed. I have clearly missed something!

Still don't completely understand what it's all about, but still would not expect CW to release anything more committal for legal reasons...???

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http://www.canoewales.com/news.aspx?ArticleID=248
New (old) access statement...

I wonder how it applies to CT

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This point is interesting: -

"6 Our position on charges
Canoe Wales believes that members and the general public have the right to enjoy navigation of the natural inland waters of Wales without charge. Our inland waters should remain with the parks, mountains, coast, public footpaths and bridleways as public spaces which are free to traverse for all."

(my emphasis added)

I would imagine that CW are going to hide behind the definition of a "natural" river as one which has an uninterrupted and natural flow from source to sea, although this would conflict with the second sentence within the clause, which does not define inland waters as being natural or artificial...

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the definition of a "natural" river as one which has an uninterrupted and natural flow from source to sea
I hope not, because every river with a weir on it is suddenly open to charges.

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Are you suggesting that CW haven't thought this policy through as thoroughly as they might have done..?

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Oh I would never suggest that CW and CT have done something to hurt paddlers without thinking about it. If more rivers start to be charged more, it means people are more likely to go to CT so extra money for them.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to my CW membership. I would like not to have it and vote with my feet, but it makes my L1 invalid and stops me playing in polo tournaments.

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Tryweryn is still a natural river even though it has a damn at the top now.

Item 2 " Canoe Wales holds that there are sufficient legal rights for its members and the general public to paddle responsibly without interference. " wonder then how they will stop Navigation for these? http://www.ukrafting.co.uk/blog/upcoming-events

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