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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Mr Burrs Adventures » Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:24 am

Dave, Thanks for the update..... it looks like Provence it is then............ LINDSAY

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Andy H » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:37 pm

Great find with the webcams on the Ubaye as it seems the gauge is down on http://www.eauxvives.org/en/niveaux/en-direct/index and hasn't updated since 2012.

The Ubaye looks on a good Medium to me as its lacking eddys and running a dirty gray instead of its normal blue (however that could be a landslide dis-colouring the water which is quite common in the Alps)

The Chateau Q looks like its at a good Medium as well.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by kayaker_13 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:57 pm

We paddled the Upper Ubaye on Wednesday 5th and it was a great paddle, it was a continues 3/3+ from start to finish with plenty of water, believed to be around medium level.

We paddled the Lower Guil down to the SND kayak shop today, the levels were high.

I've found this site useful http://www.rdbrmc.com/hydroreel2/ for river levels.
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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Play-D'eau » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:12 pm

Spring has finally arrived. Warmer, sunnier days with a quick shower or thunderstorm late afternoon.

The Queyras and Ubaye montain ranges being lower than Les Ecrins, the melt has really kicked in. The Guil is big, 90 at the gauge under the Montardon bridge. Ubaye is running mid/high.

In the Ecrins Onde, Gyr and Gyronde are running low but slowly rising. Guisane and Durance Gorge low/medium.

Not sure about the Germanasca, but will try and paddle over there next week.

Kayacb, things are looking good for the end of June, with the same sort of weather we are having at the moment.
At a guess, Guil and Ubaye will run high the next 2 weeks and then slowly drop off. The higher altitude snowpack in Les Ecrins need extremely warm temps to get the rivers high, so hopefully will stay at med/high way into the summer.
But a big thunderstorm can change everything, so fingers crossed.

Lindsay check the levels http://www.eauxvives.org/en/niveaux/en-direct/index before heading down.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by morsey » Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:45 pm

Criterium du Dauphine Cycle race is rocking up through the Ubaye Valley and down the Guil tomorrow, should get good views of the rivers from the TV (eurosport). It finishes in Risoul 1850. If you are out there there will be road closures! http://grassyknolltv.com/2013/criterium ... ble-08.pdf

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Lancs_lad » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:20 pm

Paddled the Germanasca yesterday, nice paddle no idea what the level was, maybe a medium.

Today paddled the Romanche and and the Veneon (sp?). Both really nice levels.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by KenHy » Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:23 pm

How far is the Germensca from Briancon? Anyone got google map points for the put on and take out?

Arriving out this day next week. Hope levels will be good. Will be my 5th time in the area and still haven't done any of the Guil! always been either too high or too low!

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by morsey » Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:20 pm

Rain today in the Ubaye/Guil Valleys. Snow at Col du Vars! June, Hello Summer!!! :-)

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Lancs_lad » Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:41 pm

KenHy wrote:How far is the Germensca from Briancon? Anyone got google map points for the put on and take out?

Arriving out this day next week. Hope levels will be good. Will be my 5th time in the area and still haven't done any of the Guil! always been either too high or too low!
About 1 and half hours drive away over two passes. The guide book tells you the put on and take out towns/villages.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by richb250 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:05 am

Thanks for the posts here - we're heading out next week and keeping a close eye on the levels. Anyone care to have a guess what the rivers are likely to be doing next week? The forecast is for warmer weather.

One option for our group that has come up a few times in this and other threads is Provence. Is there any good (ideally English!) information on this area, beyond what is in Knowles's guidebook?

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by tombankes » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:06 am

Hi Richb250

You are right, the weather looks light it might get warm for the next couple of day, at last!
The levels are still low for spring around argentiere so they should get to a spring level soon!

Have a look at our website we've got a certain number of things to do around the area http://alpineplayground.com/activities/ ... ctivities/

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Lancs_lad » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:19 am

Back now, here are some pics from the Egua. Still loads of snow high up in the valleys.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Andy Hall » Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:00 pm

It's warm & sunny in Briancon today. Paddled upper & lower guisane at reasonably high levels.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Jonah... » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:45 pm

We're coming out tomorrow. Is everything runing ok? Any trees etc anywhere? Has you been through the other briancon stuff like the onde, gyronde, briancon gorge, claree etc?

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Ps, what was the lower guisane like? Really fast, pushy, washed out? Very excited now ;)

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Lancs_lad » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:55 pm

The Gyr had a big tree in it last week, which was passable on river right. We had low levels so don't know how much time you would have with bigger levels to get round it.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by JohnV » Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:57 pm

Gyronde was brilliant fun at 4pm-ish today, chunky, fast and the sloping weir went without touching the bottom. Have recently paddled the Briancon gorge and Durance gorge at 8.5 on the DG put on gauge- just enough to cover the central rock at Slot and Drop. Both stretches free from significant tree hazards. Gyr was also clear and full enough for a fun run at 11am today, it has been hot. On my drive home this evening the Romanche was bankfull and almost black. There was a massive storm as I passed Albertville which may change things if it hits the Ecrin. Chuisella was at ideal flow yesterday, all the drops go it would seem- an engaging section of steep white water: be prepared for a full day out and take lots of duck tape...

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by GosforthStu » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:37 pm

Ive just been flicking through the guides for Italy in the 3rd edition Guide Book, and trying to compare levels that are detailed in cubic meters compared to the http://www.ckfiumi.net site. Is the measurement on the website the height of the river, and im expecting the green mark means paddleable, (NP) meaning not possible / not paddleable. I'm Currently on Google recce, as were leaving for Briancon on the 21st things look like their going to get bigger out their now!

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by james fleming » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:57 am

Just back this morning from Briancon.

Gyr: There is a (in my opinion) show stopper tree a few mins from the bridge - get in. It is straining a lot of debris through it. There is a marginal line (in my opinion). We decided to portage river left. The tree covers 3/4 of the river. From there down it was a fabulous run.

The Durance Gorge. One day we looked at the gauge it read 1.1. The following day (circa 08:20hrs - Friday if I recall right) it was 1.4!

Yesterday, as we were about to jump on the Briancon Gorge the klaxons sounded!!! We erred on the side of caution and didn't get on.
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The two runs of the Lower Guisane were immense. First one (Tuesday) some of us reckoned it was the highest we ran it!

The Onde also had 2 lots of trees we could see. One, not far from the start - going round a semi blind bend was straining city (in my opinion). We portaged this. Another tree further down, very difficult to see from the river (we saw it from the bank) is on river left! At the time it was covering about 1/3 of the river left...it was very low in the water, a show stopper if you have swimmers, they'll not see it (again, in my opinion). However the line past it was easy enough.

The Guil was good, mid week run read .90! Staircase had (what we thought was a tree) a tree on the very first entry rapid. There was a marginal line however, we again erred on the side of caution and portaged the first rapid.

We did other rivers in the area. If you're a solid class 4+ boater on these aforementioned rivers and are sensible in scouting you should have a great time!

Hope this helps...

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by james fleming » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:58 am

Oh, we thought the Racecourse was pumping!

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Post by james fleming » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:43 am

A wee picture of the tree on the Gyr...

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Lancs_lad » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:52 pm

That's the tree I was on about.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by callum s » Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:44 pm

Same tree problem was in the Gyr last year, no problem down the right. Was still fine in higher water also.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Pyro » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:27 pm

Update on the tree on the Upper Guisane: the nice lady at the SND Kayak Shop at St Clément tells me it is being removed this week.
It's gone now - we'd chopped half of it out of the way (£4.99 Aldi folding saw for the win!) a fortnight ago to create a channel down the right - after a wonderfully fun deliberate pin to see what happened - then went back last Tuesday and the remainder had gone.
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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Play-D'eau » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:39 pm

After a week of warm, sunny days and occasional thunderstorm late afternoon. Levels are getting chunky, big but not huge. The rivers are bankfull but not in the trees, more like levels you would expect end of May. Still lots of snow, so won't drop for a while.

The Guil was at 90 at the Montbardon gauge a few days ago. Had a fun run from Chateau Q down to the lake. There a few changes.
The third rapid (400m) into the Gaurdian angel gorge described in the Guidebook, is alot steeper due to a rockfall on the left bank. Still easy to portage river left. The big siphoned rock on the left at the bottom of the rapid has lots of branches sticking out.
As mentioned above, there is a tree trunk in the first drop of Staircase rapid. Very tight line, not worth the risk.
The level has risen the last 2 days.

Upper Claree lots of trees blocking the river 100m after the first bridge.

Gyronde is all good, lower in the morning. The tree in the Gyr is before the rapids, easy line down the right, rafted past it all last summer. Onde lots of trees as usual.

Lower Guisane fast and fun. A few trees but nothing in the main flow.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by JEZ123 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:06 am

Correct as of last week:

upper guil - clear
bachelard - clear and at a good level
Souloise - clear and at a good level
middle claree - river wide trees near get on but easy to get on bellow
lower claree - two river wide trees to portage

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by scottdog007 » Mon Jun 17, 2013 3:19 pm

Middle Claree nice fruity paddle for novice/ intermediate paddler the tree is obvious and can be passed river right. Big eddy river left for a team. Lower Claree the trees are visible a long way off and easily passible. This was Monday 17th

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Post by Play-D'eau » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:16 pm

After a few hot days and a couple of thunderstorms everything is running very high. We were over in the Germansca valley Tuesday and Wednesday. Perfect big levels on Tuesday, big thunderstorm during the night and the next day the classic section was huge.
We managed to get down a few km before taking the wise decision to call it a day. Ended up running these fun drops on one of the usually tiny tribs.
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Weather forcast is for cooler temps so hopefully levels will drop a little.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by KenHy » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:30 am

Left Briancon area yesterday cause thunderstorms had sent levels from very high to a bit silly. In Val Sesia now and everything is running at perfect medium to high levels. Good option for a group solid on grade 4 stuff. Lower sesia gives a good 2/3 option and middle sesia a 3/4 option (with portages!) at current levels.

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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Andy H » Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:58 pm

Ok at the moment its f**king big in the Alps . due to big snow melt. the snow is melting off fast as high temps. Looking good for a lonng season. Durance at the mo running at 180 cumecs. The ubaye racecource at about 100 cumecs even too big for the rafts and the middle guil is just nuts. The plus is that the snow is going fast so everything should settle down soon to the perfect Alps classics er all enjoy. stay safe and have fun.:-)
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Re: Alps conditions

Post by Play-D'eau » Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:26 am

After a couple of cooler days and nights levels have dropped a little. Most rivers are running at a more reasonable big level instead of the very high levels last week. Forecast is for a few more cooler days before the temps rise again. There is still a fair amount of snow higher up, so the rivers could still rise with warmer temps.

When the rivers are very high around the Briancon area, other rivers further a field (less than 2 hours drive) can be running at great levels. This is quick video of the top section of the Germanasca di Massello. 4km of Class 4 with 1 Class 5 rapid all roadside.
This video was filmed on Tuesday and Thursday last week when rivers as Andy H mentions where f**king big.
At this water level you would not want to be paddling the lower gorge (unless you like portaging) and the box canyon before the confluence with the Germanasca would be deadly.



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