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River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2016 2:37 am
by Mark R

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:52 pm
by Sharon Bailey
There is no river access in Ironbridge by the paid Wharfage car park (TF8 7NH). All the river front land is private with no permission to access the river without paying. Jackfield just above the rapids is the only place to exit or launch on the Severn.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:36 pm
by Rae1
Where do people get on then? Unless things have changed in the last month, everyone
usually gets on from the Mill car park, and drop down the bank. Many people use it every week.
Why do you say there is no access there?

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:15 pm
by Chris Bolton
Rae1, do you know how long this access point has been used in this way? If it's been used for 20 years without objection, it may be a public right of way, and need to be be registered as such.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:27 pm
by Rae1
It has been used for a long time, and as far as I know is the only access point in Ironbridge. As it's a gorge, so difficult terrain, all around it is too steep to get on.
All the below mention the Car Park that is used by anyone entering the river at Ironbridge. ICBA to google any more, but this shows the use of this point is widespread.
Paddle points here:
http://www.paddlepoints.net/PaddlePoint ... ointId=372
A hire compnay here:
http://www.sitons.com/wheretokayak/west ... ronbridge/
Another hirer here:
http://www.shropshirerafttours.co.uk/
Another hirer here:
http://www.ironbridgecanoehire.co.uk/

The launch point is also used by racers:
http://canoeracing.org.uk/marathon/resu ... ge2017.htm

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:17 pm
by Chris Bolton
If the landowner is now saying there is no access (which is what seems to be reported) they are entitled to do that, unless it's a right of way, either already on the Local Authority Definitive Map, or there is evidence of usage for 20 years without objection. An objection now doesn't matter if there's been 20 years before - but somebody (a local who can get the support of their Councillor) would need to apply for it to made a right of way, and the Council would need to accept the application. It may take time, so the sooner the better. Evidence can be photos, statements from club officials or paddlers, etc, but it must show at least 20 years use.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:13 pm
by Rae1
Considering the person who says there is no access joined on the day it was posted, and hasnt been back since, I'd guess there is some enmity towards paddlers.
If the access situation has changed, then I'm pretty sure there would be more than one anonymous post about the subject.
It's the West Midlands Region Dave Perry Memorial Paddle on Sunday from Bridgnorth, so I'll ask around then to see if anything has changed, and report back.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:02 pm
by Rae1
Speaking to a lot of people yesterday, none had heard of any new restrictions at Ironbridge.
One, a well known (now retired) canoe maker told me there had been access there for at least 30 years.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 9:20 pm
by CarlosValderama
Having grown up in Telford and spending most of my formative paddling in the Ironbridge gorge most of the access points in Ironbridge are public access.
The rowing club, Dael End park, Wharfage got in an out of the river at all of these points in the last 25 year with no problems. After the actual Ironbridge there are no suitable access points until Backfield rapids. This is manage by Telford Canoe Club who could also help you with current access details.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:52 am
by MikeVeal
I wonder if the Sharon Bailey above is the director of Shropshire Raft Tours. Odd as they're cited above as one of the regular users of the spot.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:26 pm
by Andy Darby
I'm very local to Ironbridge, and I've never had any hassle at all starting at the Dale End car park on the Wharfage, or from the museum car park a little further downstream. They are both pay and display and have easy river access (well they did a few weeks ago). However, if you want to start/finish below Jackfield (or it you want to paddle back up to it for a play) the Half Moon pub in Jackfield village must be the most paddler friendly pub in Britain. There is a slipway for launching/landing, which the owner is happy for you to use if you pop in for a pint when you've finished. Free parking in the large car park right next to the slipway, and lots of other free parking in the adjacent area. I paddled from there to Bridgnorth on Sunday, and the owner even came out to offer us breakfast (for a fee) before we set off. It does get busy on sunny weekends, so perhaps not ideal for a large group to all park there, but super paddler friendly place.


On one related note to this section, I note the guide bit recommends starting at Frankwell in Shrewsbury. This is fine as there is great access, however you will have to get around Shrewsbury weir. Be careful in most water levels as it isn't the most paddling friendly feature.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:41 pm
by yung
Done the Severn from Shrewsbury weir to Iron Bridge actual distance is 22 miles and a further 11/2 miles to backfields rapid.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:58 am
by Al B
Hi
I've been using the museum beach for access and egress regularly for a number of years and am concerned to see the post last September claiming it was closed.
It's the safest and easiest beach in most water levels, for a considerable distance, not the precarious boulders of Jackfield. It is also very civilised for tourers to pull off there and get an ice cream.

I've emailed the local access officer to see if any actions are underway, but it looks like there is a good case to get it made official of there is 30+ years of proven usage.
Al

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:52 pm
by Tom Docherty
Al B wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:58 am
Hi
I've been using the museum beach for access and egress regularly for a number of years and am concerned to see the post last September claiming it was closed.
It's the safest and easiest beach in most water levels, for a considerable distance, not the precarious boulders of Jackfield. It is also very civilised for tourers to pull off there and get an ice cream.

I've emailed the local access officer to see if any actions are underway, but it looks like there is a good case to get it made official of there is 30+ years of proven usage.
Al
I’ve had no issues there recently, three of us coming out of the river around 9/10pm

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:50 am
by Mark Gawler
I do not know the area, but back in March 2018 I was forwarded ( vi Ben Seal - BC Places To Paddle), a message from a director at Merrythought. The message was regarding access to a river somewhere. I can only guess that the access issue is related to this section as the business contact address for Merrythought has a post code is TF8 7NJ, which is across the river from the one mentioned in the post above by as not having access.

Ben's message annoyed me at the time as he implied I would be in touch to sort the issue, i.e. doing British Canoeing's job for them.

If someone would like to update the guide with accurate information please get in touch. Given that there seems to be a established access point here I would not expect to see it removed from the guide.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:52 am
by honda1999
Over the last 12 months I have been chasing various organisation from Telford Council, Home England enquiries and British Canoeing. At present we are waiting for British Canoeing to establish evidence for Public Rights of way at Ironbridge, which has been a long winded affair with me contacting them every 3 months to see if there is any progress. Furthermore, the issue is with Merrythought Village and Shropshire Raft Tours who hire the Wharfage for access. Apparently another company was parked on the car park and was challenged about leaving his trailer there, he responded in an abusive manner to the owner of Merrythought. Lets hope the situation has been clarified before the summer.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:08 pm
by honda1999
Access at Ironbridge: by Honda 1999, I'm in contact with Chantelle Grundy British Canoeing Access & Environment Officer Places to Paddle, can members of this forum help me to provide evidence of over 20 years at Ironbridge. Any contacts who can provide written or photographic evidence in order to present this information. In addition, any person attending the RDT development day on the 7th April at Buildwas, Ironbridge to inform Clare Dallaway Chair, so that we can move on this matter such as Chris Bolton has suggested a local who can contact his local counsellor. Merrythought have not encouraged any solution to this issue, so it is up to paddlers to find one and provide the information to British Canoeing to take action. Looking forward to a response, email johnteuwen@hotmail.co.uk

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:08 pm
by Rae1
Could you explain what is the problem with Ironbridge now please?
Who is this 'ban' affecting?
I've been there in the last year. got on in Ironbridge with no problem, others were doing the same.
Where is it where we are now banned from?
The Wharfeage car park is one of the get ons, but I was under the impression that that is a Council car park. There is another around 50/ 100 metres further up, Dale End, is this affected?

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 4:52 pm
by honda1999
Sorry just picked this up. I suspect you were not challenged at the Wharfage because the rafting company hasn't started his season and he uses this site for launching as well as paying rent to Merrythought. We normally, get on at Dale End and a sign was put up to say "No Access to kayakers". We ignored the sign and got on. However, Merrythought Village (They own all the buildings and river bank where paddlers launch) do dispute access because they own the river bank. Hence, I have been chasing this up to clarify the situation with various organisations because the season starts where recreational paddlers will be using this access and avoid any conflict. We are trying to gather evidence that supports that the river has been accessed for well over 20 years in order to justify a Right of way and access to the river. If you wish to follow up with evidence use my email above and I will contact Clare Dallaway British Canoeing Regional Development
Chair. In addition, there is a RDT British Canoe meeting at Buildwas,7th April and this item will be on the agenda, because it is a prime access point on the River Severn, which we do not want to lose.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 6:27 pm
by Rae1
I think I'll be at the coaching day on the 7th. Nothing stands out on the agenda, though I do want to learn a bot more about the new personal performance awards.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:40 pm
by honda1999
Hi Rae, what did they say at the Coaching Day? At present Rich and I (John) are meeting with Chantelle Grundy Chantelle Grundy British Canoeing Access & Environment Officer and Andrew Rudge responsible for gathering information (Questionnaire and map indicating access/egress) at 12 midday 1st May 2019 at Ironbridge to review progress on this matter. What is important is that paddlers complete the questionnaire, particularly usage over 20 years. It would be useful if you completed this, if you email me at johnteuwen@hotmail.co.uk I would appreciate your response to resolving this issue, thanks John

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:17 pm
by Rae1
We didnt go, we got a better offer of a river trip around Llangollen!
Dave Bateman knows about this. Maybe contact him for more info?
What do Telford Club say?
They launch their slalom boats from there when they run a race.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:29 pm
by honda1999
Hi Rae, Dave's in the loop on this, I have a contact with Charlie Miller BC Rep. who has had a similar 20 year experience of access. I have also sent a message to Carlos, Al B., Tom Docherty, Alan Darby about the importance of completing the questionnaire sent by British Canoeing, I would appreciate if you responded to this. my email johnteuwen@hotmail.co.uk, and I can forward this document. All the best John

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:30 pm
by honda1999
I have informed a Telford member and waiting for his response.

Re: River Severn - Shrewsbury to Ironbridge

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 4:53 pm
by honda1999
Just to make the Community Forum aware of the current issue, look at https://www.facebook.com/groups/british ... 230829458/ and would be grateful for members to respond to the user evidence available on the British Canoeing West Midlands Region Facebook. Thanks