History of Slalom boats

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Re: History of Slalom boats

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by relentlessboy46 » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:49 pm

Hi everyone, what a great, interesting thread!
I have just bought a P&H Augsburg 72 in great, seemingly original condition (excepting a couple of reasonably well done repairs).
I took some photo's

http://www.flickr.com/photos/91248011@N ... 264643781/

for you guys to see, but also, I would love to know any information about this kayak. About the model itself from anyone who competed with it and anything about the history of this specific kayak. The HAHN sticker and the cockerel emblem, do they ring any bells. Was Hahn a racer or a team? What is the significance of the cockerel emblem? Any information would be very much appreciated.

I'm really happy to have bought it for £32! (It cost 3 times that to collect it!!!) and I feel like I've bought a piece of racing history. I cant wait to take it out on the river and see how it goes. It is very lightweight and beautifully shaped so I'm expecting to enjoy it.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by surfkayaks.com » Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:58 pm

"Hahn" was the designer , boats made under license in UK by P+H,

I used to paddle a "Hahn" C1,

Mr Manby might know some more .

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Mon Dec 17, 2012 7:17 pm

Love this thread, had forgotten about the P&H Augsburg.
Had one of those C1's too.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by LizF@pyranha » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:33 pm

Hi
We did this time line for Pyranha 40th birthday last year, some key slalom dates for us and boats on there

http://www.pyranha40.com/timeline.php

Click on the photos for more info

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:20 pm

What did G on a gate mean?

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by MarkEb » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:56 pm

Don't remember G on gates. We used to have R (reverse) where you had to go through backwards and T (team) where all three paddles in the tea, had to pass through the gate within 15 seconds(I think) of each other. Maybe G was before my time but don't recall any mention of them.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:57 pm

Take a look at Liz's link - Albert Kerr winning worlds. Gate with G & R marked on it.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by MarkEb » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:11 pm

Now I'm curious to. 1977 is before my time. I know there are one or two on this forum who were involved in slalom then so maybe they can help on this one.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by surfkayaks.com » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:13 pm

It's a 6 not a G

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by surfkayaks.com » Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:19 pm

reverse gates had both the gate number and the "R" for reverse.
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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:40 am

Thanks Malcolm, too obvious for my tired brain to work out.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:57 am

Threads gone quiet. How about more modern boats like Vajda Kapsl, Matrix, Galaxy, Kapsl 2 etc.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by davebrads » Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:28 pm

Vajda C1s

You can add in the original Martikan in 2006.
Then the MM in 2012
Supremo II 2012
Scream 2013
And my new baby, the MM Max in 2013
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Vajda Kayaks (dates based on my best guesses)

Kapsl II 2011
Pulse II 2011
Max Kapsl 2012
Matrix 2012
Galaxy 2013
Galaxy Max 2013
Matrix Max 2012
Thirteen 2013
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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:07 pm

Vajda Copa
Galasport Sonic Boom

Any more?

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by NickHutchings » Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:41 pm

Hi, I just found this blog while looking for Background on Mendesta, as I'm about to give away my old Mendesta Slalom 42 (built in 1964) to make room for a new boat. Here's some real ancient history for you!
I started paddling in 1960. At that time the non-plus-ultra Slalom boats were the Klepper Slalom 59 and the Tyne Spuehler (designed by Jack Spuehler). These were both folding boats.
My first Slalom boat was a Sport Dipper, wooden Frame covered with PVC-coated canvas, that I built myself from a kit in 1961. Sport later came out with an improved version with an angled deck edge, I Forget what they called it.
With the Dipper I had some competition success, getting into the 3.division (do you still have 4 divisions for Slalom Paddlers These days?).
The first glassfibre boat to come on the market was the Klepper Slalom 62 (1962), which looked as if the mould had been made from the old Slalom 59. The Klepper Slalom 63 "cigar" (1963) was revolutionary, with an extremely rounded deck.
In 1964, I took a holiday job to buy a glassfibre boat and chose a Mendesta Slalom 42. (Mendesta was a Belgian manufacturer -Chris Mendes da Costa- imported by John Critchley.) With this super "hi-tech" boat I made it into the first division, so it must have been a pretty good competitive boat. Modern slalom paddlers would laugh at it, it would rate now as a pretty slow, clumsy touring boat!
The Slalom 42 did me great service as a white-water & small-river tourer till the mid-80s, when it was retired in favour of a Prijon Taifun, which in turn is now to be replaced by a Liquid Logics Stinger XP. I can't bring myself to put the old warrior in the shredder, so I have to find a young sprog to give it to...

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Dave Manby » Tue Feb 17, 2015 3:06 pm

surfkayaks.com wrote:"Hahn" was the designer , boats made under license in UK by P+H,

I used to paddle a "Hahn" C1,

Mr Manby might know some more .

Malcolm
Hahn C1s were indeed made by Dave Patrick at his Spondon works near Derby. Paddled by many of the GB team mostly the northern boys - the southern boys had different boats. I bought my first C1 off John Wilde who went on the represent the GB team for a while and then the Australian team at the Worlds on the Savage.

Slalom gates forward and reverse and up and downstream gates but also in the older days there black and white poles that were fee gates that you could do anyway you liked. |even earlier there were ferry gates which were as series of poles on a line across the river and the further you got across the less penalties you got.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:14 pm

To keep this thread alive:

Vajda Salto.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Mon Aug 10, 2015 7:18 pm

Salto 2015, also Copa 2 2015.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by davebrads » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:30 pm

Galasport Tik - Tak K1- 2014
Galasport What Else? C1 - 2012
Galsaport Pink and Yellow C1 - 2015
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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Jim » Thu Aug 27, 2015 4:38 pm

davebrads wrote:Vajda C1s

You can add in the original Martikan in 2006.
Then the MM in 2012
Supremo II 2012
Scream 2013
And my new baby, the MM Max in 2013
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And my new baby, the iScream in 2015

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Dave Manby » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:34 pm

Met on the roadside in Llangollen the other night a guy who was checking his boats on his roof. He had no idea of what the boats were; one was a translucent Mirage and the other was a glass boat with PINTAIL just about legible on it. Anyone know of a boat called a PINTAIL 4m long possible slalom boat?

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:48 pm

Valley did a Pintail, but I believe that was a sea boat.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Dave Manby » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:17 am

Didn't look at all like a sea kayak.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Jim » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:12 pm

Valley Pintail was the round hulled version of the Anas Acuta (the Latin name for Pintail) which I think is under 17' but not so far under as to be mistakable for a slalom boat of any generation.

But I have got a feeling I have also seen Pintail associated with an old slalom boat recently, I just can't remember where!
We will be embarrassed when someone finds it on an earlier page of this thread :)

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Philq » Thu Oct 15, 2015 10:25 am

Gaybo Isere for sale - see ad in WW Private sales

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by YorkieDave » Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:16 pm

Does anybody know what boat this is. I recently picked it up for a bit of fun.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by goliver » Fri Oct 16, 2015 1:57 pm

Looks like a Valley Canoes boat from the 70's 80's. Venom?? Vixen?? possibly.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Dave Manby » Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:40 pm

Here is some footage from back in the day before they built the Olympic course at Augsburg - in fact we had to move our tent so the Mayor could dig the first shovelful. Featuring: JC Wildcat, Gaybo Isere, Pavel Bone mini slalom, Hann C1

http://s110.photobucket.com/user/coruh8 ... sort=3&o=1

And a mystery slalom featuring Roger Armstrong, John Wilde and John Liddell collecting prizes. John Gosling in the back ground. Date location and any more names would be great.

http://s110.photobucket.com/user/coruh8 ... sort=3&o=2

And Serpents Tail around 1965! Can anyone name persons A to G?

http://s110.photobucket.com/user/coruh8 ... sort=3&o=0

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by C1WWR » Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:52 am

Here is a photo of 3 Slalom C1s. From the left:
P&H Hahn from about '74.
P& H UltraGil from around 1980 [The Ultra Gil was similar to the Supermax, the boat that the US used to start their domination of C1 back in '79]. The Supermax was just better than anything else around at the time. The Supermax was built in the UK by Gaybo and used by Martyn Hedges to great effect in 1980/81 including winning the '80 Pre Worlds.
Galasport El Scorcho a much more modern [2012 ish maybe??] 3.5 m long boat
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