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As a returner to the sport I just love the EddyFlower site. Its a great history of tupperware down the ages.

Is there anything similar for Slalom and other competition boats? All I've found is this

Pre mid eighties I have vague memories. But what happened after this? Is there a history page of slalom boats by manufacturer through to modern date?

EDIT - I've added boats to the list as people mention them below.


KAYAKS - Weight range (in Kg) - In production in 2009 = Bold

Arrowcraft:
- 19?? = Flyte = Fury = Dynamic

Avoncraft:
- 1975 = Stiletto

Barron:
- 197? = Falchion /XL

Caiman: http://www.caiman.cz/slalom_en.htm
- 200? = Premier 358, 362, 377 (55-83) = Magnum 90 / 369 (82-85)
- 2007 = Torero 350 (<72) = Ranger 350 (70-82) = Bomber 355 (>82)
- 2009 = Salsa 350 (<70) = Salsa-Rambo 350 (<80) = Salsita (60-62) = Profi 355 (70-82)

Concept Designs:
- 198? = Ziggy, Top, Fury
- 1987 = Edge

CS: http://www.cscanoe.com
- 200? = Ferrazzi = Ferrazzi XL = Profile 380 = Profile XL
- 200? = Redox (S=60, M=70, L=80) = Chemical = Chemical PD = B-Split

Dagger Composites
- ?? ?? = Predator = Fraction = Kickback
- 1997 = Predator II

Dewent:
- 79 to 83? = various Shuttles,
- 1983? = Starmaker,
- 1984 = Blitz,

Double Dutch: http://www.doubledutch.eu/
- 1985 = Pro am,
- 1986 = Pro am extra = Master,
- 1988 = Reflex,
- 1990 = Reflex Barcelona,
- 1992 = Quattro,
- 1994 = Paragon,
- 1996 = Atlanta
- 1997 = Profile
- 1998 = Profile 2
- 1999 = Boomerang
- 2004 = Paradox = Scimitar 65/75
- 2006 = Virus (>80) = Precision (65-75)
- 200? = Diva 55 (<55) = Diva 65 (<65) = Chica40 (40-45) = Chica50 (50-55)
- 2009 = Flight (50-60) = Instinct 65 (55-65) = Instinct 75 (65-75) = Instinct 85 (75-95) =

FiBo: (Bridgenorth)
- 1973 = Epee
- 1976 = Epee-XS

Galasport: http://www.galasport.com : http://www.coolbluecanoes.com
- 2005 = Shorty 362 XL (>85)
- 200? = Energy 350 (50-75) = Pilot 350 (25-53) = Dino 293 (<30)
- 2007 = Toro (75-95) = Toreto (50-68) = Toril (28-52)
- 2009 = Toro Evolution (cut 65-100) = Toro Evolution Piko (50-65)

Gaybo:
- 1973 = Isere,
- 1974 = Slipper Combi = Olympia H = OlympV = OlympVI = Junior Olymp
- 1975 = Perfekt
- 197? = Inn = Inn Minor = Meister 80 = Meister Extreme = Meister Supreme = Sanna = Sanna Extreme = = Hydro
- 1979 = Reflector
- 1980 = Dominator = Lettmann Plus
- 1981 = Dominator 81
- 1982 = Dominator 82
- 1984 = Dominator 84

Granta:
- 1972 = Granta

Haze enterprises:
- 19?? = Shadow, Shadow 2000

Impulse:
- 19?? = Diablo

itomco: http://itomco.wordpress.com/
- 2008 = APS K-1 (<80)

Jaycee (JC):
- 19?? = Wildcat, Merano
- 1970 = Cougar,
- 1974 = Lippe Contra
- 1978 = Streaker,

Klepper:
- 1965 = SL5,
- 1967 = SL7, SL7 Lowline;
- 196? = SL8,
- 1973 = Loisach,

Krakatoa:
- 1975 = Atomic
- 1976 = Cosmic Interceptor,
- 1977 = Cosmic SP77,
- 1978 = Cosmic Pro Slalom,
- 1979 = Electra 81 (<70kg), Alpine (>70kg),
- 1981 = Kraken,

Lettmann:
- 1970 = Olympia?; Olymp1,
- 197? = Olymp2? , Olymp3 = 197?, Olymp4 = 197?,
- 1974 = Olymp5, Olymp6,

McNulty:
- 197? = Nova, Supernova,

Nomad: http://www.nomadcanoes.co.uk
- 197? = Ferrara,
- 198? = Axel, Superman, Era,
- 1984 = Pro 84k
- 1985 = Pro Am
- 198? = Pro Am Extra,
- 199? = Razor = Extra = Mystique = Mini Mistique = Extreme = Extreme sprint
- 199? = Precision = Razor = Touch = Touch2 = Touch3 = Retro = Midas touch
- 200? = Cruz = Energizer, various Energy = various Force = Magik = Mystery (MS, M...)
- 2008 = Logik (<65) = Nutron = Pulsar (<95)

North Shore:
- 1987 = Delta
- 19?? = Torque = Excel 92 = Delta excel = Tornado

P&H:
- 1972 = Ausberg
- 1974 = Phazer
- 197? = Hartung = Sting = Phazer II
- 1980 = Xenon,
- 199? = The K1
- 1992 = Barcelona
- 1993 = Quattro
- 1995 = Fusion

Pavel Bone:
- 1969 = Funa
- 19?? = Mini Slalom

Perception:
- 1992 = Reflex = ReflexII
- 1992 = Reflex Barcelona,
- 199? = Reflex Quattro = Reflex Five

Prijon:
- 200? = Becker

Pyranha:
- 1974 = Vedel,
- 1975 = Vedel 65k, Elite,
- 1978 = Equipe SL (sprint Low), SM, SH = Equipe CL, CM (Continental Med), CH = Mini Equipe
- 1979 = Equipe SLK
- 1980 = Premier,
- 1981 = Premier2,
- 1983 = Premier3 = Premier Image
- 1986 = Premier4,

RK (Karel Rasner)::
- 200? - Grafit

Streamlyte: (Tyne canoes)
- 1965 = KW3,
- 19?? = KW4, KW7, KW7 Lowline,
- 1970 = Scorpion,
- 1973 = Oledo

Stip Yaks:
- 1970 = forell,
- 1975 = sanna,
- 1980 = extreme,

Tim Ward:
- 19?? = Eclipse,

Topcraft:
- 1974 = TK

Trylon:
- 197? = Snipe,
- 198? = Lynx (Cosmic SP77 based)

Vajda: http://www.vajdagroup.com/canoes-kayaks
- 2003 = Challenger,
- 2005 = Tuscan(360),
- 2006 = Nexus(350) = Ultimate351 (S=50-60, M=60-70) = Gyro (S<65,M=65-80, L=>80) = Smolko (45)
- 2007 = Sting (XXS=45-50, XS=50-55, S=55-60, M=60-70) = Coxo7 (M=65-75, L=75-85, XL>85)
- 2008 = Pulse (S=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80),
- 2009 = Ego (M=65-75, L=75-85, XL>85) = Smurf (45)
- 2009 = Kapsl 36 & Kapsl 35 (XXS=40-50, XS=45-55, S=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80),

Valley:
- 197? = Viper = Viper SL

Unknown make??
- Scarab; Treska, Virago, Kick, Slalom'89, Maestro'86, Maestro '88, Mystery



C1

Arrowcraft:
- 19?? = Vortex = Maverick = Viper = Enigma = Enigma 369

Caiman: http://www.caiman.cz/slalom_en.htm
- 200? = Goddan 353 (<82)
- 2005 = Acrobat 365 (<85)
- 2008 = Iceman 353 (>73)

Dagger Composites
- 199? = Maverick
- 1993 = Maverick Plus
- 1996 = Zealot

Double Dutch: http://www.doubledutch.eu/
- 200? = Spectrum (>85)
- 200? = The Judge (65-75)

Galasport: http://www.galasport.com : http://www.coolbluecanoes.com
- 2005 = Ninja Pro (55-85)
- 2006 = Makao (65-80) = Makao Junior (<68) = Loco (66-70,70-80)
- 200? = iMo (70-85)
- 2008 = Yin (<75)
- 2009 = 64 (<78)

Gaybo:
- 19?? = Elite
- 1972 = Mistral
- 1978 = Max II
- 1979 = Supermax
- 1980 = Ultramax
- 1981 - Cudamax
- 1982 = Batmax
- 198? = SuperBatmax
- 1987= Extrabat
- 1989 = Fanatic
- 1991 = Stealth
- 1993 = Frantic II

itomco: http://itomco.wordpress.com/
- 2008 = Absolute C1

Nomad: http://www.nomadcanoes.co.uk
- 1987 = Extrabat
- 19?? = Shoot

Prijon
- ?? ?? Diamon

Pyranna
- 19?? = Elite = Storm

P&H:
- 1972 = Hann

RK (Karel Rasner)::
- 2008 - Saru08

Topcraft:
- 1974 = Variant

Vajda: http://www.vajdagroup.com/canoes-kayaks
- 2004 = El Nina
- 2005 = Fantome 370
- 200? = Nereus (M=60-70, L=70-80) = Lizard365 (s=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80)
- 2007 = Martikan07 (M=60-70, L=70-80) = Lizard07 (s=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL>80)
- 2009 = Supremo (s=50-60, M=60-70, L=70-80, XL=80-85, XXL>85)
- 2009 = Lady Lizard (S=45-55, M=55-65) = LizardJ (S=45-55, M=55-65)

Unknown Make
- 1963 = Banana
- 1980s -
- 1998 - SuperGlide
- ?? ?? = Devastator = Dynamic


C2

CS: http://www.cscanoe.com
- 200? = Shoot 420

Dagger Composites
- 1995 = Hammerhead
- 1996 = Whupatar

Double Dutch: http://www.doubledutch.eu/
- 200? = Hot Rod (140-170) = Unison (120-150)

Gaybo:
- 1980 = Synchron
- 1982 = Duo

Galasport: http://www.galasport.com : http://www.coolbluecanoes.com
- 2006 = Pro Facto (130-185)
- 2007 = Pro Facto 007 (130-175)
- 2008 = Vocko (100-145)

Nomad: http://www.nomadcanoes.co.uk
- 19?? = ProAm = Shoot2

Pyranna
- 19?? = Elite = Thunder

Topcraft:
- 1974 = Olymp Slalom C2 (end cockpit)

Vajda: http://www.vajdagroup.com/canoes-kayaks
- 200? - Blade 415 (S=100-120, M=120-140, L=140-160, XL=160-180, XXL>180)
- 200? = Wind 415 (S=100-120, M=120-140, L=140-160, XL=160-180, XXL>180) = Magma 410 (M=120-140),
- 2009 = Pheonix (S+100-130, M=130-150) = H (S=100-120, M=120-140, L=140-160, XL=160-180, XXL>180)

Unknown
- 1978 Gemini (close cockpit) = Paramax = Argumax = Torrent, Torrent XL = Deadline = Grokshark = Savage Grokshark = Tomahawk
- 1992 = Patriot
- 1997 = Merlin
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I had an Electra.

Then (84 I'm guessing) a Derwent Blitz and then a lovely Ziggy (can't remember the make) in around 85.

The Snipe was a classic as well - I'm guessing 82?

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I've still got an Electra81 ... made in Nov 1980.

The snipe was much earlier ... I had mine in 1977, it was an old heavy boat having been built for the Grand Caynon in 1976.

I'm guessing the Snipe design is 1974 maybe 73? Was probably around that time that full hull rocker came in for the first time.

Prior to that it was the Gaybo Olymp series that were the most used "slalom" boats, and low Telemark turns the order of the day.

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Our club has a shadow 2000 (built way before 2000 by the way), I actually dragged it out of the back of the boat shed last night as we were so short of boats that we were reorting to non-tupperware. I'll try to remember to take a picture of it next time I'm there. We should start a database with pictures I reckon.
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My first slalom experience was in an ancient Olymp 5 (pink glitter deck) in 1988.
The club also had low profile Dominators which would have also been about 10 years old. And Olymp TS for the bloaters.
There were plenty of Extra's around, and it seemed plenty of moulds.
My first 'slalom' boat was a North Shore Torque-more of a 4m river runner in but with a flat deck.
In 1991 I purchased an Extreme-was this a Mike Dalton design? Built by Nick Pink (just as he went on his own-it had NP and 'impulse' labels on it), this was cut with plenty of volume for me.
A few years later I got my Razor-another Dalton design with more front volume (and foot comfort)

And by 1992 the Perception Reflex must have been in its fifth generation? (the Barcelona)

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mharrall wrote:Our club has a shadow 2000 (built way before 2000 by the way), I actually dragged it out of the back of the boat shed last night as we were so short of boats that we were reorting to non-tupperware. I'll try to remember to take a picture of it next time I'm there. We should start a database with pictures I reckon.
A picture database would be great!

I remember the Shadow 2000, I'd guess 1980. Your one probably has the three tapered sripes down one side of the deck ;¬)

What I find interesting is how much slower are these "ancient boats" are than modern ones. Only tried it once but I didn't find the clubs 2009 Torro Evo, any faster down a course than my 1980 Electra'81. Now its true I know my boat inside out and need to adapt to the new ones, but I still find it surprising that my 30 year old design can still be made to perform so well. I'm guessing to Div2 level?

New boats are a lot easier to get in and out of though ;¬)

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Thats a very "Late History"
65 ish, KW3, Klepper SL5
67 KW7 Klepper SL7
69 Pavel Bone Funa, cant remember the other pavel Bone model, KW7 Lowline
70-71, Streamlite Scorpion, Jaycee Cougar, Lettmann Olymp1
4 more models in rapid succession ,
73 ish the All conquering "Isere" and numerous Clones, Klepper Loisach, one from Wild Water (Mr Hawksworth)
74 Olymp 5-6

I'm sure theres a load more!
Then I retired!!
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surfkayaks.com wrote:Thats a very "Late History"
Thats fantastic, a bit before my time, but great to see how some very familiar names fitted in.
surfkayaks.com wrote:I'm sure theres a load more!
I think your right, it seems like many of us have a "snapshot" of the boats that were around the years we were "competitive". We need some more recent ... (1985 on) paddlers to chip in now
surfkayaks.com wrote:Then I retired!! Malcolm
amen to that!

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Malcolm missed KW4 & Klepper SL8.
There was also a boat called Mini Slalom around at this time, aimed at the smaller paddler. I think it was a Toni Prijon design.

There is also a lack of Canadian boats on this list.

More recent boats:
Tim Ward Eclipse.
Nomad Superman, Ferrara, Pro Am Extra, Era, Axel.
Streamlyte Streaker.
Derwent Starmaker, Blitz.
P & H Xenon.
Gaybo Meister, Dominator, Plus, Hydro, Reflector
McNulty Nova, Supernova.
Premier, Premier 2, Premier Image.
Concept Ziggy, Top & Fury.
Touch, Touch 2, Touch 3, Midas Touch.

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Some i can remember,
PH PHAZER
GAYBO PERFECT
SANNA EXREME
BARRON FALCHION AND XL
ADUR WHISP
SUPERMAX C1
All late seventies.
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A few more Pyranha kayaks: the Vedel and then the Elite, before the Equipe series, I can't give you dates though. You missed the Image, 1981 I think, and the Premier 4, which was about 1986, and the last slalom boat they ever made. The Elite was produced with a high volume deck to become the boat used for Mike Jones' Everest expedition. I actually owned all four of these boats at one time or another, as well as an Equipe.

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Hey guys, thank you.

I've added everything mentioned (I think) so far to the list in the first post and tidied it up.

Its looking good!

But I'm sure there are lots more (plus C boats), plus loads of errors and dates to be added. So please keep posting up the memories, new and old, and I'll keep adding!

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surfkayaks.com wrote:Thats a very "Late History"
65 ish, KW3, Klepper SL5
67 KW7 Klepper SL7
69 Pavel Bone Funa, cant remember the other pavel Bone model, KW7 Lowline
70-71, Streamlite Scorpion, Jaycee Cougar, Lettmann Olymp1
4 more models in rapid succession ,
73 ish the All conquering "Isere" and numerous Clones, Klepper Loisach, one from Wild Water (Mr Hawksworth)
74 Olymp 5-6

I'm sure theres a load more!
Then I retired!!
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The Funa had a stable mate the Mini Slalom by Pavel Bone as well. Also there was the SL5 (my first kayak £20 - a lot of pocket money)
JC also had the "WIld Cat".
There were also the Mendesta range/models including one that was circular in cross-section - to avoid edges!
The SL7 had a brief re-incarnation as the SL7 Lowline (which like the KW7 Lowline had knee bumps)

Someone also made a boat called the Scarab - an absolute Dog - but made famous by a single photo of the then Slalom champion (Jurgen Bremmer?) paddling it in a swimming pool.

Then there were Denis Cooper's "Its not an Isere nor is it a Olympia nor a KW7 low line" but they were involved when the mold was made!

P&H made the Hann range of kayak and canoes. I had their C1s when I competed - don't remember them having names. The only K1 I remember was the "Augsburg"

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There was a radical slalom kayak called the 'Treska' (aka Trashcan) in the early 70s - but cant remember who made it - White Water/Hawksworth? (maybe thats the same one Malcolm refered to above).

Also FiBo made the Epee and the Epee-XS - again mid-70s. FiBo were based in Bridgenorth I think.

And wasn't there something called a 'StipYak' by van Stip Donk?

Plus the 'Puma' and 'Bevan boat' which were made by lots of Manchester paddlers from their own mold.

And lastly wasn't there also an 'Olympia' by Letmann (as opposed to the Olymp series).

PS: great memory of the P&H Phazer and some wag describing (in the kayak press of the day) the spraydeck as a 'Phiss Phoor Phit by Mr. PhatPhrick".
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Plus the Concept Edge which I still use and held together with duck tape.

Built about '87.

Regretted swapping my Ziggy for the Edge.

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Croft wrote:
And lastly wasn't there also an 'Olympia' by Letmann (as opposed to the Olymp series).
I remember this as being the Isere hull with a larger volume deck.
At the same time there was a boat called the 'Hartung' (P&H?)

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Oh no - I just remembered the 'Inn' (just perfect for surfing the Severn Bore at night) and the deadly kiddy version, the 'Inn Minor' - now who made those?. Both were used by PGL in the late 70s and early 80s. The Inn Minor had a remarkably small cockpit which made it incredibly difficult to bail out - thus the humble (and helmetless) kayak instructors of the day had to be 200% concentrated to avoid mass punter drownings on Symonds Yat. The resulting high levels of instructor stress meant that huge quantities of Wadworths 6X beer needed to be consumed every evening to avoid permanent psychiatric damage.
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Think the Inn was a Toni Prijon design, made or marketed by Gaybo.

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Terryg wrote: I remember this as being the Isere hull with a larger volume deck.
At the same time there was a boat called the 'Hartung' (P&H?)
The Hartung started the "ripping off" of kayaks by clubs and individuals making moulds from kayaks. A well know manufacturer and paddler was returning from one of the East German International slaloms (Zwickaw?) and there was a smashed up Hartung used as a signpost - this was added to their roof rack and disguised with many of their stickers late at night and imported back in to the UK. They made a mould from it and started selling. As a result everyone thought "if they stole design for the mould then why can't we" and so copy cat boats arrived.

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When I went to Slovenia some years back, there were Eastern European paddlers blatantly repairing glass fibre copies of Prijon plastic boats right outside the Prijon factory.

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All right some info on dutch boats

I think I should start with
Stip Yaks
they made boats I think from 1970 untill 1995 give or take a couple of years.
Owner, designer, builder, ect was Peter van Stipdonk

1970 forell, 1975 sanna, 1980 extreme, are I think most wel known.


Double Dutch started in 1980
still going stong

some boats they build (I only name the Kayaks)
1985 Pro am, 1986 pro am extra, 1986 master, 1988 reflex, 1990 reflex barcelona, ,1992 quattro, 1994 paragon, 1998 profile 2004 paradox, 2006 virus,
these date are rought figures..
at the moment they build
INstinct, diva, precision, flight, virus.

some are own design some are build in Licence.

rofra and felix and somebody near enschede have build also slalom boats sometime during the eighties.
But I doubt if they ever gone outside the Netherlands.
Propper Writing in English, how do you do that, with dyslexia, bad hand eye coordination, ect. and in a foreign language
sorry fore all the mistakes.

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Hey guys, been fascinating reading keep those memories coming!


With all this info, the thread is actually starting to become useful, so I've done a big update to the first post to include all the modern boats I can find, and the weights.

There will be errors, and there are still loads of big gaps, especially from the 1990s ... so if you know anything more, post up and I'll keep adding!

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Amendment to my previous post, the Streaker was a JC (JayCee) boat, not Streamlyte.

Mike Dalton = Nomad.

The Isere was built by Gaybo.

And we have missed the JC Merano and the CS Chemical.

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Cheers for the update Terry, I've amended the first post.

Looking up the CS range right now ... ;¬)

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I cross posted this onto the Slalom board .. and well as a result the list has grown!!!

http://ccgi.millband.plus.com/cgi-bin/i ... f=1;t=1286


I think I've fully updated the first post. Hope I got it right, please tell me if not!

Still lots of gaps and in particular a LOT of dates missing. Do you remember?

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Not sure the Streamlyte and Tyne brands had anything to do with each other.
The Keith White designed boats were produced and marketed by Streamlyte.

The Pavel Bone and Toni Prijon designs were produced and marketed in the UK by Gaybo, as were the Lettman designs during the 70's.

Avoncraft also had the Lynx (don't know if this is the same Lynx as you have attributed to Trylon above).

A thought: Have you tried contacting the manufacturers and asking them for details of their respective ranges over the years?

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Re: History of Slalom boats

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About 1973, Wadham Stringer produced a boat called the Hustler (never understood why a car distribution company should produce a kayak!).

About 1971/2 there was a C1 called the Mistral, I think it was a Lettman design, produced by Gaybo.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

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Terryg wrote:Not sure the Streamlyte and Tyne brands had anything to do with each other.
Thats the great thing about the interweb thingie ... these links got posted on the slalom board:
http://www.clevercaptures.com/Canoeing/ ... 2421_sXcNW
http://www.box.net/shared/fpji6y83zk

Checkout page 2 of the PDF on the second link .. fascinating!
Terryg wrote:Avoncraft also had the Lynx (don't know if this is the same Lynx as you have attributed to Trylon above).
Tyrlon bought the rights the the Cosmic SP77 and sold moulds to loads of folk, so it may well have been produced by Avoncraft.
Terryg wrote:A thought: Have you tried contacting the manufacturers and asking them for details of their respective ranges over the years?
Yep could do, but that may spoil the the fun ... :¬)

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Re: History of Slalom boats

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See where you got the Tyne/Streamlyte link from now. I stopped paddling about 1974 and didn't start again until about 1980. I was not aware that Tyne and Streamlyte had got together.

The start list for the British open makes interesting reading, lots of names I know from the past, plus some people I know now but didn't realise were around then.

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