History of Slalom boats

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Dave Manby » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:10 pm

Serpent's tail Slalom re-post any boat identification of people identification. Over 50 years ago so some really old paddlers have to exercise their grey matter!


I have more footage of later Llangollen town slaloms which I will post over the next few weeks so we can wallow in nostalgia!

Also I met a paddler on the Llangollen canal the other weekend in an old kayak when I asked what it was his reply was cheap All the looks were for a Pyranah boat and after talking to Graham we think it was probably a Trident MkII so built around 1971/2

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Jon352 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:18 pm

Here's something of a rarity from the late seventies, a Krakatoa Switch. It's been on for at least a couple of months - I contacted the vendor to see if he was an old friend who had one, but it wasn't him. I sold my old Apollo Ultragil from the early eighties on Ebay in the autumn - got a whopping £22 for it.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Canoe-C1-Slal ... Sw8gVX5lh4

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by David.Cuthill » Mon May 15, 2017 11:20 am

In 1967 I used to paddle in a KW3 donated to Forth Canoe Club by a British Slalom Team FCC club member member Brian Palmer.
It was clear hull and British Racing Green deck.
Keith White integrated seat and cockpit. Cockpit had the trademark pointed cockpit fore and aft. There was virtually no rocker and needed to be turned on the top of a wave, or carved into a breakout.
It was a very lowline boat and had knee-bulges.
It also had large, white, hinged mouldings for the knee bars.
Getting in and out was a learned sequence. One leg at a time. Both kneebars down to start. Right knee down first. Lift the knee-bar up, move knee right under the bar. Then the same palaver for the left leg. Getting out was the opposite sequence.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by David.Cuthill » Mon May 15, 2017 11:25 am

In 1966 I paddled in a Jaycee Cobra. It was made in a four piece mould and had parting lines in the hull. There was no gunwale joint.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by David.Cuthill » Mon May 15, 2017 11:33 am

In 1968 I wanted a Prijon Isere slalom boat. But they were £36.00 So I bought the WW Centre (Pateley Bridge, Yorks) Inn Spezial. This was the "very similar" version by Chris Hawkesworth. Which was cheaper at £28 and allowed me to buy a new pair of Prijon wooden slalom paddles. £6.00 from a clubmember returning from Europe.
In those days there was a ban on taking currency out of the country over a limit of £50.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by David.Cuthill » Mon May 15, 2017 11:58 am

In the big fast, heavy course at Bourg St Maurice; Langford, Calverley and MacLeod had won slalom Team Silver for Britain in 1968.
In the ''70 's big volume slalom boats came in as a response to the imagined huge waves of the proposed new Augsburg Eiskanal, as used for the Slalom Olympics in 1972. I bought an Olymp IV. The biggest one.
In those days the slalom poles had to be as close to the water as possible without touching or being set in motion by the water.
We trained hard and developed a technique for tail-ducking these big boats under the poles. The British team of Mitchell, MacLeod and Calverley didn't even make individual top 20. I remember seeing them at Grandtully in their Olymps. They were powerful looking and awe inspiring.
A new era would emerge in the next 5 years.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Dave Manby » Mon May 15, 2017 7:27 pm

Anyone recognise this slalom site? From about 1970 - I can recognise John Wilde, John Liddell, and John Gosling in the crowd at the prize giving and Roger Armstrong picking up the tankard. http://s110.photobucket.com/user/coruh8 ... 4.html?o=6

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by badgeonUKRGB » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:12 pm

Andy Pt wrote:
Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:41 pm
The Ferrara was a Baron (I'm sure Baron was spelt with one 'r') and there was one at Shepperton this year, which must be the last one afloat!
The Ferrara was replaced with the C,D and E types which were all different volumes of the same boat (I think Baron were the first to cut boats for different volume/paddler sizes). The Barons were great boats, really well made, but they did'nt sell in huge numbers like the Pyranha's and Gaybo's.

I had the first Pyranha Premier, a great boat in its day, but the build quality was crap - they were all the same - after a season of Thames slaloms (no rocks!) it had more holes in it than swiss cheese.

I have'nt seen any mention of Shadows? can't remember the model names but our club (Millbrook) had loads of them.

Not sure about being the "last one afloat" for the Baron Ferrara. I have one in my garden RIGHT now. I have had it since 1982 but it was built in 1979. It was a great slalom boat and I loved paddling it. It is the equivalent of my wife's "little black dress" - one day I WILL be able to fit back in it. Until then it is the preserve of the kids of many of my friends.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Nick Gates » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:07 pm

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by JohnMac » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:06 pm

Streamlyte designed/built the Scarab 1971

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by JohnMac » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:10 pm

Mendesta (Belgium) designed/built Medesta 400 (1963?) and Mendesta 401 (1964?). Certainly the earlier model, 400 was in 1965 World Championships and the 401 being paddled in 1965.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by The Yellowboat » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:56 pm

Dave Manby wrote:
Mon May 15, 2017 7:27 pm
Anyone recognise this slalom site? From about 1970 - I can recognise John Wilde, John Liddell, and John Gosling in the crowd at the prize giving and Roger Armstrong picking up the tankard. http://s110.photobucket.com/user/coruh8 ... 4.html?o=6
I think it might be Old Windsor.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Neil_H » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:43 pm

Is the list being updated from the replies already given?

I paddled Klepper kayaks in the 60s starting with a folding T67 model which was of 1957 vintage. It was designated a white water racer, probably 4.5 meters long but I used it in slalom. The list of Klepper slalom kayaks I know about are:

T55 1955 F class
T57 1957 F class
T59 1959 F class. Paul Farrant paddled it to victory in the world championships
SL61 1961 fibreglass but design still mimicking the folding boats
SL62 1962 updated version of the 61. Seat suspended from the coaming was an improvement
from the floor mmounted 61.
SL3 1963. radical design change. Pointed ends and very rounded gunwhales. Looked like a cigar. Flip up knee grips were pretty useless. Hull flexed out of shape. Too heavy.
Jet 1964. I believe that this was a bought-in design as the next in-house design was another year away from launch. It was first with teardrop knee blisters. The joining seam ran along the deck ridge and hull bottom.
SL5 1965. This had a low deck and was highly rockered. It made a mockery of the judging as it had the qualities of a submarine.
SL7 1967. Someone mentioned a lowline version having knee blisters but this feature was already present on the first ones made by The Canoe Centre.
SL8 1968. This was last slalom model made under license by The Canoe Centre in Twickenham. Kirton Kayaks took over production in 1969 or 1970.

Another UK manufacturer from the folding kayak era has been mentioned: Spuhler. Jack Spuhler made a number of light weight slalom kayaks in the 1950s. I own a Mk4 of 1957/8 vintage that was paddled by one of the Crockett brothers who were in the British team around that time, I believe. Before I had it reskinned, it weighed under 15kgs.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Terryg » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:45 am

Suspect the reference to Lowline with knee blisters was probably the KW7 rather than SL7.

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Post by Dave Manby » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:12 pm

SL7 also had knee bubbles if I recall correctly.

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Post by Terryg » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:42 am

Dave Manby wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:12 pm
SL7 also had knee bubbles if I recall correctly.
You do.
My message was in reply to the one above.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by CliveB » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:54 pm

Just found this thread - fascinating! I was paddling in the late seventies early eighties and was using a borrowed Purana Equipe (borrowed from Tony Tickle at Bolton Canoe Club) which was brilliant. When I gave it back my then girlfriend Debbie Hargreaves got me a Spate, which was even better! Not sure who made the Spate but I think they were made in Lancashire somewhere? Id love to know more if anyone else remembers them?

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by CliveB » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:58 pm

El Pres wrote:
Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:42 pm
Hi
I had a SPATE with a very funky glitter deck, anyone know anything else about this boat I dont know who made them ?
I had one of these too, brilliant boat! Mine was plain red but my then girlfriend had a silver glitter deck in hers too!

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Chris Bolton » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:21 pm

Not sure who made the Spate but I think they were made in Lancashire somewhere?
I suspect you're right - you quoted El Pres having one, and he's Bolton CC. The only boatbuilder in Lancashire I can think of was Image, run by Pete Wignall (if I remember the names right) but I don't remember the Spate.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Jim » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:23 am

Chris Bolton wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:21 pm
Not sure who made the Spate but I think they were made in Lancashire somewhere?
I suspect you're right - you quoted El Pres having one, and he's Bolton CC. The only boatbuilder in Lancashire I can think of was Image, run by Pete Wignall (if I remember the names right) but I don't remember the Spate.
Hmm, makes me wonder if I have forgotten something I used to know!
Mark Wignall still races in Prem, I knew he worked at Image in the past, I don't know if I knew it was a family business though?
Could try to remember to find out at Tees race next weekend, will more than likely forget.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Chris Bolton » Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:48 pm

Mark Wignall still races in Prem, I knew he worked at Image in the past, I don't know if I knew it was a family business though?
Pete is Mark's father. Image was originally a partnership between him and Nick Pink, based in Llangollen, then they split it and Pete set up his half in [Garstang?] and Nick continued under his own name.

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Jim » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:04 pm

Image or Impulse?
Got a feeling it was Impulse now. Called in there once (Garstang rings a bell) on the way to or from somewhere. Andy and Mark had composite playboats (illusion?) they had built, and our Uni club ended up buying a fleet of their polo boats (Predator) - in fact I think they are still on the approved list so a quick check of the polo rule book should resolve this... Impulse on the polo approved list!

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Chris Bolton » Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:47 pm

Yes, you're quite right, Jim. I didn't feel Image was right (it was a model of boat), Impulse it was. The logo was graph with an impulse in it, like an ECG.

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Post by CliveB » Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:54 pm

Chris Bolton wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:21 pm
Not sure who made the Spate but I think they were made in Lancashire somewhere?
I suspect you're right - you quoted El Pres having one, and he's Bolton CC. The only boatbuilder in Lancashire I can think of was Image, run by Pete Wignall (if I remember the names right) but I don't remember the Spate.
My memory is not brilliant but think the Spate was made around Nelson or Colne? If that rings any bells with anyone?

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by CliveB » Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:01 pm

Image

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Think these were taken on the Tryweryn in about 1981/2

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by jmmoxon » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:08 am

This has an advert for an Impulse Mystery 92 kayak:
http://www.ribblecanoeclub.co.uk/newsle ... itised.pdf

& Simon Edgar and Stacey Wroe were paddling for Impulse around the time above was available:
http://www.chalfontparkcc.org.uk/archiv ... 20Div1.pdf

Expect you can find some old adverts on here, as includes 1950s & 60s White Water mags:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=132272

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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by davebrads » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:01 am

Impulse mostly made Nomad boats under licence. Pete made the boats in his garage which he'd insulated and heated in order to ensure the boats cured properly. It's where you went if you wanted a Nomad design without the notoriously poor Nomad build quality. He did have a couple of his own designs though, a kayak and a C1, but I don't remember what they were called. The kayak was shortened to make the playboat referred to by Jim above.
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Re: History of Slalom boats

Post by Hengle » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:41 pm

Saw this and thought of you allhttps://www.gumtree.com/p/boats-kayaks- ... 1359012114

Krackatoa Mould - just incase you really want to relive the full smelly stick experience!

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