SUP Paddle Boarding, Paddle Stroke!

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SUP Paddle Boarding, Paddle Stroke!

Post by scottdog007 » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:40 pm

I been recently asked to do some sessions for the Canal & River Trust on Stand Up Paddle boarding. They have bought 9 boards for my club to use on occasions. Now I assumed the technique of paddle boarding would be the same as canoeing but I am quite shocked seeing bad technique being coached from many different sources.

I assumed I would be using the j-stroke of stern pry as a stroke, I watched some youtube videos and they suggested actually a small bow rudder to start the stroke, which pulls the board back in line (the board has fins). Anyway I find I can use all these strokes and get great fast paddling working well for me.

But the bad coaching I have seen; one was at a coach-update day when the coach told people to do 3 strokes on the left, swap hands and 3 strokes on the right and continue swapping. Then on holiday in Cornwall I took a paddle board out and there was a hire company taking out people and low and behold they were doing the 3 strokes one side swap 3 stokes the other. They didn't seem to be able to keep the board straight unless they did this.

Last week I went on a British Canoeing Coach Module for SUP and the coach guy was great and he has been helping writing up the syllabus for BC. But he stated strongly you do not paddle 3 left the 3 right etc. As soon as you swap hands you loose time, possibly balance and certainly do not have an active paddle if needed, especially on a sea where waves are a consideration. Sure like canoeing if after a while of paddling on one side, you can swap and use the other arm to give the first arm a rest.

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Post by John K » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:43 pm

Frequently swapping sides seems to be standard technique on SUPs. Maybe it's a good thing as it keeps muscle-use symmetrical.

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Re: SUP Paddle Boarding, Paddle Stroke!

Post by Jim » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:13 am

Well what do you expect?
BC coaching have tried to jump on the SUP bandwagon so are trying to invent their own way of coaching it coming from a non-SUP background. If you want to learn properly, go to someone who has been exclusively or mainly paddling SUP and find out how they do it

When I've tried it, the advice I've been given is to use small strokes at the front of the board, not long strokes into a trailing J - I found it easy to do cross forward without changing hands (but I do paddle C1 and OC1 more than trad canoe), but in general it seems to be better to pull the board where you want it to go from the bow, rather than trying to steer if from the back. This makes sense when you consider the degree of connection you have - one strong power pry or J and you will tip yourself off balance.

Oh yes, and when you try surfing or moving water, you will eventually think you invented the cross rear deck low brace - but you didn't - pretty much everyone else who has tried sup in moving water has invented it too :-)

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Post by scottdog007 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:47 am

Jim wrote:Well what do you expect?
BC coaching have tried to jump on the SUP bandwagon so are trying to invent their own way of coaching it coming from a non-SUP background.......
How it was explained to me by the guy that coached us, was that he approached BC and asked if he could get the SUP side going on and help write up the syllabus. This guy has come from canoeing, kayaking, ww etc but got into SUP at the start of it over here in the UK many years ago and now dedicates all his time to it. He lives near the coast and has a shop dedicated to SUP.

He said it was a nightmare dealing with BC getting the syllabus in place. And what he taught us was great, so I kind of think BC is going in the write direction with SUP.

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Post by Jim » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:42 am

scottdog007 wrote:He said it was a nightmare dealing with BC getting the syllabus in place. And what he taught us was great
I can see that, getting the establishment to take on board his expertise when they think they know better must have been a real challenge, and what has the outcome been? He can teach you well, but some other providers are trying to stick to what they know and teaching rubbish....???
Not just teaching rubbish, but teaching you to teach rubbish.

Don't get me wrong, I know there are some top level coaches putting in the hours to learn SUP, but I bet a lot of them don't paddle SUP much apart from getting updates themselves and delivering courses.

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Post by Chris Bolton » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:14 am

Jim wrote:in general it seems to be better to pull the board where you want it to go from the bow, rather than trying to steer if from the back
I've never paddled one, but that seems entirely logical if the board has fins at the back. Canoe steering strokes work by pushing the stern sideways, and the fins will prevent that.
Jim wrote:one strong power pry or J and you will tip yourself off balance.
Yes, that happens in high kneeing C1s too. And putting a little offside lean to counteract that, then not quite taking the lean off before taking the paddle out.

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Post by kippers711 » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:47 pm

bow rudder strokes are the easiest way to correct or alter direction on a board. as to swapping every 3 strokes, is just silly. you can quite easily paddle single sided for quite a length of time. you can always swap after that, if you wanna rest your shoulder etc. watching a lot of ww paddlers in the states, you see them do most of the work on one side until they need a quick change of direction, and then most will do a cross bow stroke rather than waste time changing hands. this also helps keep that paddle active while running down the drops.

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Post by GregS » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:20 pm

OK - others can address the questions raised here better than I can... but a few minor things.

1. SUP comes in many shapes and forms. At one extreme you've got Corran Addison doing serious WW like this:



At the other extreme you've got ocean racing like this:



On another front completely you've got the world of Surf SUP:



2. Larry Cain is one of many to have noted that technically, the closest parallel with SUP for forward paddling technique is C1 (canoe) sprint. You can see the parallels very clearly here:



3. We definitely don't need to switch sides to steer... but switching sides is a standard element of much single-blade boating, both for touring and racing... and as this sprint finish shows, even the best don't hesitate to switch sides when they want to crack on!



Here's the self-same Larry Cain on steering without changing sides... :)

4. The basic message you'll get if you look closely at the strokes of SUP legends like Danny Ching, Travis Grant and Jim Terrell is that approaches vary an awful lot. For some decent analysis, head back to Larry's blog:
5. Here in the UK, groups like British Stand Up Paddle Association, the Academy of Surfing Instructors and the Water Skills Academy have established SUP training programmes... and the European Division of the American Canoe Association is developing a formidable range of SUP Training and Instructor Certification options, including for Surf SUP, Whitewater SUP and SUP Yoga (with more under development).

British Canoeing has come under pressure to take responsibility in this are as none of the other organisations are recognised as an NGB. The NGB response has primarily involved talking to / working with some of the above and looking at how the current framework should reflect the emergence of SUP... asking questions in relation to things like safety and rescue / remits / recognising SUP as a single-blade discipline.

More recently volunteers working within the "Emerging Disciplines" Technical Group have produced a a short "Discipline Support Module" - essentially a 6 hour introduction to "assist coaches who currently hold British Canoeing Coaching Qualifications, and who want to gain a better understanding of the specialist discipline of SUP". At present, this is as far as BC SUP goes.

6. Whilst others have now been let loose with the delivery of the SUP module, the key volunteer involved with the development and early delivery of the SUP module brought impressive experience and expertise to bear. This included extensive expertise in coach education (right across paddle-sport) but also experience of multi-day ocean touring by SUP, of tacking challenging WW by SUP and of ocean-racing style SUP exploits with Steve West in the English Channel. Arguably rather more experience than was necessary for producing the current BC module!

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Re: SUP Paddle Boarding, Paddle Stroke!

Post by Brek » Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:42 am

Greg, that is one of the best replies to a topic i think i have ever seen on interweb, linked to factual resources, your knowledge level stated at start, and allows the reader to make their own mind up by not stating x,y,z is the way to do it. Class.

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Re: SUP Paddle Boarding, Paddle Stroke!

Post by uxb » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:12 pm

The farther away from SUP that the BCU is the better....


IMHO.

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