Interesting!

Can you give me a reference to this?

Scottish Canoe Touring, published by the SCA, has a chapter on cross-Scotland routes.

The most adventurous route of which I am aware started in the Outer Hebrides - an it was in an open Canadian! Ray Goodwin, IIRC.

Only been there once. We launched on the east coast, first at the new ferry slip, which was 'orrible, with a scramble over big boulders and exposure to waves, than at the old ferry slip further up the loch, which was fine. We paddled to the beach facing the Cairns of Coll, which was beautiful, then ...

It would be good to be able to borrow a dummy PLB to practice with

MYSSAK wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:42 pm

I’m not sure if it’s the best one but this photo which I took last summer off north coast of Iceland is my favourite.

Cunningly and stunningly solves the perennial "horizon line through head" problem!

My thanks added as well.

We need to notice that where the insurer says "harder to defend", they mean as well "more likely that we will pay out to the injured party".

Mine just sits (on a leash) in my BA pocked. It's passes it's self-test every time so far.

I'd worry about the "cold hands" problem if it were in a drybag.

Always nice to hear agreement.

You put the idea more clearly than I did,

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Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:24 pm

Hi, On flat water most boats turn more efficiently on an outside edge, ..... , but also partly because you tend to paddle further from the low edge than the high edge ....

My point exactly!

The workmanship is stunning!

I think were're discussing a long slow turn, using a sweep stroke, and maintaining speed through the turn. My take is that under these circumstances: 1) Edging the boat either way helps a lot, though at the expense ob balance. 2) Some boats turn one way when edged, other the other way. (Mine doesn't...

Couldn't agree more with what the previous posters have said. Using the same skills in different environments makes the skills and their variation automatic.

Unlike tennis and badminton, which clash - but that's for another forum.

The portages are all easy, as the surfaces are nice and smooth. However, you migh want to consider launching at the top of Neptune's Staircase. That's a long portage for not much paddling. +1 for cafe at "Well of seven heads."

Duct tape solves many problems. Denso tape wouldn't be suitable for mending clothes, a tent, or as a bandage cover. It's often possible to dry the surface if necessary. Notice that if the compass is in a map case you may need to but a wet hand into the case to set the compass. Mine's just lark's-foo...

Not because I was there, but because I was negligent.

I think nearly all of this anguish comes down to the ridged formal leader and followers approach pushed as the only way to proceed by the BCU. You don't get groups of walkers, cyclists or climbers getting their knickers is a twist about liability yet their doing activities with a similar or even gr...

I've had a worry for some time that the FAQ quoted above and the insurance schedule document are in conflict. I tried to bottom this out by contacting both the broker and the BCU. The broker said (orally, so I can't substantiate it) that for club members, experience and qualifications were irrelevan...

And incidentally, I don't think it matters whether reasonable precautions have been taken. Not taking them would be negligence, but it's negligence insurance.

...., the club committee reckons that as long as I submit my paddle plan to them and they approve it, I can take the group and be covered by the club insurance. .... [/quote] I believe that statement to be true. You are a club member, and it's a club trip ('cos the committee approved it). So you (an...

A I see it, if it's a formal club trip, the club committee are taking responsibility that the trip will be "sufficiently" safe. So those taking part don't have to do their own assessment of the leader. This is very valuable to members, who may not have the ability to do this assessment. To my mind, ...

Signing a disclaimer doesn't do much. It's only an indication that you gave consent to participation - but it doesn't prove the consent was informed consent.

I think negligence can still happen even with consent.

But I don't really know - I'm not a lawyer.

"Paddle to the Arctic", by Don Starkell covers kayak. His previous (but not as gripping) "Paddle to the Amazon" is about canoeing.

A thrawn b*gger, as we say up here.

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That's the crux of the discussion here. I think that the BCU insurance covers all club members on club activities regardless of qualifications.

If the club member is deployed to lead a session by the club, the club would be responsible and would be asked should it come to court etc why they had deployed that person and why they deemed them fit to do so! Hence clubs needing insurance - it should be noted that the BC Club insurance also cove...

Thanks, failed to find that. It does seem to support the theme that you are covered either: as a coach (but needing a coaching qualification); or as a club member (not needing a coaching qualification). Pushing the boat out further, it seems to me that an incompetent club member who coaches is still...

Thinking further, I think that the policy does cover unqualified coaches provided they are club members taking part in a club activity. Can't check, now that the FAQs are gone.

It would be good to have clarification of this - any BCU folk listening?

Ah, that's a change to the schedule, hadn't seen that. Doesn't say that the qualification has to be relevant to the activity ...

Doesn't seem to require anything similar for trip leaders, as far as I can see.

I see the insurance FAQ's have disappeared from the BCU website.

... Am I right in understanding the policy is all about being sued for negligence ? ... Yes,I believe so. But it would pay up only if damages were awarded. To my mind the difference between a formally led trip and a peer trip is that in the first instance someone other than the participants (so may...

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Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:42 am

Robert Craig wrote: ↑

Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:16 am

1) Does anyone get sued

That, I think, is the biggest part of the question

It's not only "does anyone get sued", but "does anyone spend the rest of their lives thinking (or being thought by others) that they were responsible for an injury or death?

... So what do you have to do, in a club context, to keep the insurance valid? You need to show you have adequate competence and experience, and in an affiliated club, having the relevant BC qualification is one way to that. ... My understanding is that the BCU insurance is in place whether or not ...