Is something wrong at Valley...

[Bazza S]

I just found an old midget gem behind the sofa, and ate it.

What colour was it? I like the red ones. How about you no kayak, do you like the red ones?
Oarsome do you like the red ones? They are my favourites.

[No Kayak]

I like the red ones too.

[bobt]

I like the red ones too.

The problem with the whole midget gem brand is that they have a really crap website. They really cling to past successes and risk losing the market niche they have created.

[Kayaks'N'Beer]

I like the red ones too.

The problem with the whole midget gem brand is that they have a really crap website. They really cling to past successes and risk losing the market niche they have created.

Ladies and Gentlemen we have ourselves a winner - thread over!

[Yellerbelly]

Damn. Am I too late for more train pictures? . . . Ben

[Kayaks'N'Beer]

hard to resist

[Yellerbelly]

[rockhopper]

Wezzit?

Well, it's in a valley............!!

[ian johnston]

Erm, a valley?



Sorry, I'll get my coat.......



Ian

[Yellerbelly]

They have a great website. ;¬) . . . . Ben

[M-J-B]

I like the red ones too.

The problem with the whole midget gem brand is that they have a really crap website. They really cling to past successes and risk losing the market niche they have created.

Never heard. They definitely need a better Internet presence if they aim for a global market. I prefer Fazer Angry Birds anyway... D'oh! :-P

[MarineMammal]

Both of these statements are true, and are in no way contradictory:

• Valley makes GREAT kayaks.
• Valley's website needs help and they should do something about it.


So what's the controversy again? :(

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[Oarsome]

Both of these statements are true, and are in no way contradictory:

• Valley makes GREAT kayaks.
• Valley's website needs help and they should do something about it.


So what's the controversy again? :(

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Saying that something can be done better for all parties involved, apparently.

[Chas C]

Both of these statements are true, and are in no way contradictory:

• Valley makes GREAT kayaks.
• Valley's website needs help and they should do something about it.


So what's the controversy again? :(

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Especially as Valley themselves posted on this thread and confirmed the second bullet and that they would "when they had time" look to make improvements. FFS let Valley run their own business how they see fit. :-)

[MarineMammal]

Saying that something can be done better for all parties involved, apparently.

Well, I guess the ppl who have a problem with bringing the issue up are then a-okay with the 2250 lb Aquanaut LVs and 2246-lb Avocet LVs that are mentioned on Valley's site. Oy. o_0

It'd be so ridiculously easy to fix that, and perhaps write some brief advance blurb on the Gemini boats that are coming out.

And why even bother having a 'Valley Blog' on your site if you only update once a year?

The obvious defense is "They're BUSY!", but Freya Hoffmeister still blogs whilst in the middle of paddling around continents, so... yeah.

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I guess I do get the old-school 'the internet's not important' -type attitude, having interned at NASA-Ames back in the '90s when many ppl there were graybeards who 'didn't get' the Internet.

But it's become pretty obvious since then that internet marketing DOES help move merchandise, and even if Valley currently sells every boat they make, you can always make and sell more, provided the demand is there. Marketing and the 'net can help with that.

But if Valley doesn't want to make any more boats than they do currently, their stand makes sense. However, if that's the case, then why bring out new models, like the Etain and the Gemini boats? Seems like they do want to sell more boats.


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[M-J-B]

a-okay with the 2250 lb Aquanaut LVs and 2246-lb Avocet LVs

Perhaps they are using Kajaksport hatches on selected models...

http://www.kajaksport.com/www/index.php ... Itemid=108

533cm Avocet LV = Large Volume? "Small is beautiful" but the Avocet LV looks quite big in the comparison table.

Better not order custom placement front bulkhead as measurements seem to be so difficult. Maybe it's best not to glass in them at all...

[MarineMammal]

Especially as Valley themselves posted on this thread and confirmed the second bullet and that they would "when they had time" look to make improvements. FFS let Valley run their own business how they see fit. :-)

Valley last posted to this thread in January of 2010. Very much appreciated, but not exactly reflective of current circumstances.

Currently, they don't look to have updated the site in at least a year, and there's several glaring-to-the-point-of-hilarious errors on it.

So, and to use your own wording– for FFS, when? :(

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[watt]

The obvious defense is "They're BUSY!", but Freya Hoffmeister still blogs whilst in the middle of paddling around continents, so... yeah.

That's not fair - it's a woman, they are used to do multiple things at the same time. ;)

[Chas C]

So, and to use your own wording– for FFS, when? :(
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I do not know who you are - I see you only joined in the last day and have only contributed to this posting, are you trolling ?.

Your ageist comments are offensive and uncalled for.

There does appear to be an underlying - lets get Valley - feeling to the thread, I do wonder how many posters are from competing companies. Perhaps that's why there appears to be a coordinated attack underway on this forum against one manufacturer.

I'm not a Valley fan - I don't care if they do or do not update their website - its their choice.

I do base my purchases on web based information first before viewing/trying each of my choices.

I'm not going to comment again on this thread nor respond to the trolling.

Chas Couchman
(I'm not hiding either)

[Oarsome]

Oh, so now it's a conspiracy.

Wow. Just wow.

[MarineMammal]

Oh, so now it's a conspiracy.

Wow. Just wow.

+1. I myself am pretty aghast at Chas' comments.

Where to begin? And yes, I'll try to keep it civil, despite having to deal with an uncommonly large helping of nonsense.

I do not know who you are - I see you only joined in the last day and have only contributed to this posting,
are you trolling ?.

No. Unless you automatically define trolling as 'any post I disagree with'.

And I cannot help that I'm a recent join. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Your ageist comments are offensive and uncalled for.

That's quite a flimsy (and one might say, desperate) accusation.

I worked at a place where 1) most of the employees were, in fact, older, and 2) many of said older employees, at least back in the '90s, 'pooh poohed' the Internet in my discussions with them. How is stating actual facts and experiences 'ageist'?

Bill Gates once stated that he thought the Internet was a 'fad'. He was middle-aged at the time. In your world, would it be 'ageist' to point that out as well?

There does appear to be an underlying - 'lets get Valley' - feeling to the thread, I do wonder how many posters are from competing companies. Perhaps that's why there appears to be a coordinated attack underway on this forum against one manufacturer.

Oarsome is correct, the paranoia is rather thick with this one. :(

Chas, perhaps you did not catch my comment in my first post to this thread. To refresh your memory:

MarineMammal: "Valley makes GREAT kayaks." Very. first. thing. out. of. my. mouth.

What part of that was some sort of covert attack on Valley? My goodness. o_0

It's certainly not a 'massive anti-Valley conspiracy' to note the fact that Valley's website could use some work and attention... again, this is simply dealing with reality.

And it's rather amazing that anyone, even the most ardent Valley fan, could construe noting simple facts as a massive, conspiratorial, covert attack of some kind. I've seen a lot of things on the Internet, but, wow...

I'm not a Valley fan - I don't care if they do or do not update their website - its their choice.

I believe your actions belie your words. Rather definitively.

I'm not going to comment again on this thread nor respond to the trolling.

That's probably a good thing, seeing as your actions would likely do nothing but further damage the reputation of Valley fans everywhere (of which I count myself one).

I am sorry to have made your acquaintance, and hope that most Valley fans on this site do not think as you do. Good night. :(

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[Kayaks'N'Beer]

So the deal is - There's something wrong at Valley, right? The reason we know this is they have a crap website that never gets updated. Well I'm sorry but I just dont get it. The web is a mighty fine marketing tool, granted but it's only one of a long list of mighty fine marketing tools available and, especially when dealing with items such as sea kayaks, it aint the be all end all. Maybe if some of the - yuo must haz internets - contingent spent a bit more time on the water, trying out boats and the like, instead of with their noses in a browser, trying to experience an outdoor pusuit, from the comfort of their armchair, via youtube and the like, they'd get why people who actually kayak don't believe that having a crap website is the end of the world for a kayak manufacturer.

As I said already, sure it's a missed opportunity but it's not really a big deal. Instead of trawling the web looking at manufacturer sites, why not try buying some Kayaking DVD's and watching them. After a couple you'll start to notice a trend - "sponsored by valley ... werner ... reed chillcheater ... etc" Now that's marketing that gets noticed. If I was in Valley's shoes I prolly wouldn't be too bothered about the website either.

[mick m]

thers one thing we all need to remember, If its on the Internet it must be true

[Oarsome]

So the deal is - There's something wrong at Valley, right? The reason we know this is they have a crap website that never gets updated. Well I'm sorry but I just dont get it. The web is a mighty fine marketing tool, granted but it's only one of a long list of mighty fine marketing tools available and, especially when dealing with items such as sea kayaks, it aint the be all end all. Maybe if some of the - yuo must haz internets - contingent spent a bit more time on the water, trying out boats and the like, instead of with their noses in a browser, trying to experience an outdoor pusuit, from the comfort of their armchair, via youtube and the like, they'd get why people who actually kayak don't believe that having a crap website is the end of the world for a kayak manufacturer.

As I said already, sure it's a missed opportunity but it's not really a big deal. Instead of trawling the web looking at manufacturer sites, why not try buying some Kayaking DVD's and watching them. After a couple you'll start to notice a trend - "sponsored by valley ... werner ... reed chillcheater ... etc" Now that's marketing that gets noticed. If I was in Valley's shoes I prolly wouldn't be too bothered about the website either.

Ah. yes, using the internet means not going out and do some actual boating.

[Kayaks'N'Beer]

Thread began as a strawman. Don't see any reason to change it.

[Oarsome]

Thread began as a strawman. Don't see any reason to change it.

No it didn't. Apparently you don't know what a strawman is. Besides, I wasn't strawmanning your position. You were setting up a fasle dichotomy: That one either uses the internet, or one is out kayaking or watching kayak videos.

[Kayaks'N'Beer]

That's only a false dichotomy if you're surfing the internet from a kayak ;)

[MarineMammal]

No it didn't. Apparently you don't know what a strawman is. Besides, I wasn't strawmanning your position. You were setting up a fasle dichotomy: That one either uses the internet, or one is out kayaking or watching kayak videos.

There's something I have to wonder about: Why is everything 'either/or' with these people? o_0

Apparently, in their odd world, it is seemingly impossible to love Valley kayaks, but also be disappointed in the amount of care they put into their site.

Also, apparently one cannot both use the internet and kayak (and we're not talking at the same time). One prevents the other I guess. Though somehow, these critics have found a way around this that only they know, since they're posting to this thread as well.

Curiouser and curiouser.

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[Oarsome]

No it didn't. Apparently you don't know what a strawman is. Besides, I wasn't strawmanning your position. You were setting up a fasle dichotomy: That one either uses the internet, or one is out kayaking or watching kayak videos.

There's something I have to wonder about: Why is everything 'either/or' with these people? o_0

Yup, a very monochrome view, and only they get to define the exceptions. Cognitive dissonance must ensue.

Apparently, in their odd world, it is seemingly impossible to love Valley kayaks, but also be disappointed in the amount of care they put into their site.

Not to mention that anything bad said about any part is concerted effort to put down the company in question.

Also, apparently one cannot both use the internet and kayak (and we're not talking at the same time). One prevents the other I guess. Though somehow, these critics have found a way around this that only they know, since they're posting to this thread as well.

Yup. "It's all black and white, except when we decide it's not"

[Fast Pat]

Curiouser and curiouser.

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As is, as other users have pointed out, your registration on the site yesterday and fixation with this thread.

MMMM Fruit Pastles.....