tawe boy wrote: chriscw wrote:
tawe boy wrote:Just to clarify by Hassle I mean being constantly approached and bothered by people from angling club! I have expressed my views on vandalism earlier in this thread.
Thank you for clarifying that. I dare say we can put up with that, especially if the conversation is polite and friendly. Many of us feel that torturing fish for fun is a pretty sick past time, we are normally too polite to say so. All of us fail to understand how people who haul fish gasping and writhing in pain from the water can have the sheer cheek to accuse paddlers of disturbing the fish, we may be a bit less reluctant to say that if accused of disturbing fish. I trust that anglers would not be upset by this, if we in turn keep it friendly. As for whose river it is I think we have established that navigation rights and ownership of the river bed or fishing rights are in no way related so there really is no problem.
Perhaps between us (anglers and paddlers) we can keep an eye out for thugs who vandalise cars, insult pregnant women in car parks and vandalise fish breeding ponds. Mostly though these thug will be cowardly people who try not to be seen.
These are clearly the ramblings of an idiot. Angling is the most popular pastime in Britain- FACT and also generates millions for the economy-FACT. Anglers and angling clubs also spend a great deal of time and money preserving and improving rivers for people like your good self to Tresspass on! I have read another thread talking about paddlers getting hassle on the upper Taff, 15 years ago you would not have been able to paddle the Taff the pollution was so bad,the work and tireless campaigning of Merthyr angling club have turned this into a thriving ecosystem. What contribution have the paddling community made to this and other Welsh rivers??? Lets not even start on the diseases such as these killer shrimps which are destroying ecosystems that you risk spreading around on the bottom of your boats? How many of you bother to disinfect beforeyou come and Tresspass on rivers.
Hi Tawe boy,
What you really mean is that 15 years ago you wouldn't have been able to FISH the upper Taff! Its always been paddleable, yes, the water may have been dirty, but always paddleable.
Whilst I'm sure that the hard work of various angling clubs helped, I would hazard a guess that the huge reduction in heavy industry and coal mining in the South East Welsh valleys probably had much more to do with the rivers getting cleaner than a bunch of maggot drowners!
How many fisher folk regularly disinfect their waders, rods, reels, landing nets etc, etc?? And as you mention, due to the difference in numbers in participants in the two activities, there is likely to be a much higher movement in alien fauna from the vast numbers of fisherfolk, than the occasional paddler.
To fellow paddlers, I would strongly echo Mike B's comment about reporting any harrasment to the Police.
The Chief Inspector for Powys, Martin Tavener, is well versed in the issues regarding threats and harrasment of paddlers and vandalism of property. He is also aware of the letter from the legal dept of Dyfed-Powys Police to the Teifi Trout Assoc.
Chief Inspector Tavener was also going to make the Sgt at Ystradgynlais Police station aware of the situation.
So if you are getting grief phone the Police, Ystradgynlais Police station is 0845 3302000. Or if you are being threatened call 101/999 as you see fit.
What ever you do, don't stop paddling the Tawe, it is a fantastic and beautiful river, that just happens to be a magnet for some idiots.