JJs had me arrested tonight,

by **Harry Lime** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:22 pm

Without wishing to be overly pessimistic.....

Anyone got a good, second hand sea kayak for sale?

by **Uisce** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:41 pm

aleeivel wrote:face book group setup

JJs againsts paddlers

Nice idea but not the easiest to find on Facebook. Presumably because of the spelling.

'againsts'....should that not be against?.

by **aleeivel** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:18 pm

Tom_Laws wrote:That's utter genius....

JJs againsts paddlers

Description:
For everyone who thinks the bahaver of JJ sucks

I thought it about hit the spot

by **aleeivel** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:19 pm

Uisce wrote:
aleeivel wrote:face book group setup

JJs againsts paddlers

Nice idea but not the easiest to find on Facebook. Presumably because of the spelling.

'againsts'....should that not be against?.

Im good at typos

actually in this case not a typo, I cut and pasted from the subject of this channel!!!

by **mosspod** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:25 pm

This situation is of no suprise to me, jim jayes in my experience has always been someone of questionable charecter and this has only proven that more ture.

by **kayak_girl** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:42 pm

Nige,

I would like to say I cant believe this has happened, but I'm not surprised, it has felt like this has been brewing for weeks. If you need help with a legal bill I'm sure I can contribute.

What were you expected to pay for? Seeing as you have been banned from their facilities and use the shared car park for work - Using the Water IS free, isnt it??

I'm not going to the Mill anymore until this is sorted out (voting with my feet) - see you on a different stretch of water on a Thursday night?

I'm sure there will be no paddlers at JJs anymore (perhaps that is what he wants?), a real shame as I was just starting to get better.

Ruth

by **canoeman** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 6:43 pm

I haven't read the entire thread so forgive me if this is out of synch or not up to date.

Some things to consider - If JJs have made a complaint to the police, the police are under a duty to investigate it which would involve arresting a named suspect and interviewing. etc. That doesn't necessarily mean there will be a prosecution. Unless a guilty plea at the magistrates court can be anticipated (unlikely I think) then it would have to go to the Crown Prosecution Service for a decision. They require at least a 50% chance of conviction before taking it to court.

Voodoo would have been released on bail for one of two things - to give the police time to gather further evidence or to consult the CPS for a decision - he would have been told the reasons for bail.

Voodoo - when you were in the police station you would have been told of your right to speak to an independent solicitor free of charge, if you did not exercise that right at the time, then you should speak to a solicitor before you have to go back to the police station. If you have to go back to the station and are booked back in you will again be given that right. Legal advice is absolutely free in police stations, if you do not have your own solicitor you can use the duty solicitor scheme - they are all local solicitors and are generally pretty good. If you are to be interviewed again, I suggest that you make sure that you have a solicitor.

There are probably three things which can happen now - the police or CPS decide it is no further action, they extend your bail for further enquiries, or they prosecute.

Did I mention that you should speak to a solicitor and it will be free at the police station?

Good Luck

Canoeman

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:21 pm

Facebook group setup.

Requires some more details as im not very computer lit so please feel free to add what you like

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=54150265292

by **Mark R** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:51 pm

A Facebook group has been set up? I bet JJ is quaking in his boots, even as we speak*.

*Assuming he's heard of Facebook. And is 14.

by **spike** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:03 pm

A Facebook group has been set up? I bet JJ is quaking in his boots, even as we speak*.

*Assuming he's heard of Facebook. And is 14.

Well said Mark............

Many a true word spoken in jest.

I am sure that I would crap my pants if somebody spoke bad of me on a geek site

Spike

by **aleeivel** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:05 pm

dont take the p!ss any additional web references to this despicable situation can do nothing but help raise awareness (OK prob. not much but every little helps)

certainly the more web pages that have references concerning this increase the chances for Google returning some of these references along side JJs home page..

by **Adrian Cooper** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:07 pm

Just to be clear on the solicitor thing. One will be provided if you are interviewed again. You will not get one for simply reporting to answer bail. If when you turn up the police want to ask you any questions whatsoever, make sure you ask for a solicitor. You need to make sure you do not get stitched up.

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:10 pm

Well Mark, facebook is not only for 14 year olds. I'm sure you've been on it yourself.
It's actually a really good site and allows people to keep in touch with others they have met form any where in the world and old school friends.
I for one have met up again with many of my old school friends and people from my old racing team that I have not seen for over 19 years so if thats makes it a silly site for 14 year olds then I stand corrected!

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:26 pm

I meant 10 years not 19

by **AndyK** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:55 pm

This is a group for people to post about JJ clearly against everything to do with anyone who paddles.

I think the Facebook group needs a grammar check.

by **jamesl2play** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:00 pm

Someone somewhere has completely lost the plot and this applies to both the Police and JJ. Respect for both of them has been even more diminshed by this farce.
Assuming the CPS decide it is in the public interest to proceed, which is very unlikely in my opinion, unless we do not know the full story, then it will require a Barrister to defend this case. The cost of legal assistance does not come cheap.
If the case does not proceed then JJ will have lost a huge gamble.

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:16 pm

Sorry I do believe that I'm not very good with grammar, tell me how it should be and I'll change it.

Thanks!

by **jamesl2play** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:23 pm

OK, just made a phone call to our legal department. As expected the feeling is that this will not go to court unless there is something else we are not being told. The matter will then have to be tested in the Civil court by JJ.
If this is the case and you require a solicitor Foc please send me a pm.

Alternatively, if a few more of you could get yourselves arrrested you could start a group litigation and apply to a Judge for a ruling on whether JJ's actions are lawful.

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:26 pm

I do believe a few more will be arrested although Sally said someone needed to be made an example of.

by **morsey** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:48 pm

chucky-matty wrote:tell me how it should be and I'll change it.

Well seeing as though you asked. Your group replicates the other one already mentioned. That one already has some ill thought out discussion (Boycotting future Dee tours!) and they are both probably about as well thought out as Kritkit's Mass Paddle demo on the Dee! Hence why you have received subtle and not so subtle comments suggesting your efforts are at best comical and at worst not helpful at all.

by **aleeivel** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:54 pm

If I was local I would certainly go and do a bandit run and stop and play on the small wave etc but I'm not going to drive 200 miles for the pleasure, I will support anyone who does so!!!

I'm sure the old bill will get fed up quite quickly arresting people that there is no chance of prosecuting

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:17 pm

I'd never say that I would ever boycot my local river, I actually enjoy paddling there and had my best weekend on the river this weekend on the dee so all this talk of mass paddle through or a mass boycot is complete horse ****.

I set it up because s many people said it needs doing. If its a huge issue to you then fine consider it deleted but then again you dont need to be a part of it do you as it will not make a difference in your life except it would actually just be one more place for you to do all your moaning about your life!

by **morsey** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:24 pm

aleeivel wrote:If I was local I would certainly go and do a bandit run

Numpty.

by **chucky-matty** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:49 pm

I may disagree on some things but well said morsey!

by **Jim** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:14 pm

If someone would just like to let the Welsh assembly know, this has put me off ever visiting Wales again, for paddling or otherwise.

Someone mentioned Union support - I would have expected by now that the BCU shop stewards would have brought any of their members working at JJ's out on strike against this? Oh wait, it's not that kind of union is it?

by **aleeivel** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:19 pm

thank gods its not

by **Nofio Mawr** on Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:35 pm

[quote="jamesl2play"]OK, just made a phone call to our legal department. As expected the feeling is that this will not go to court unless there is something else we are not being told. The matter will then have to be tested in the Civil court by JJ.
If this is the case and you require a solicitor Foc please send me a pm.

Good advice, I would take Irish man!

There's a lot of us that are looking up to you to do the right thing now, if you want help, it's there, also just take a look at the supportive comments you have from this post in less than a day. Please fight this all the way with the right advice because the implications of this will inevitably affect all of us.
Paddleworks also take heed. (Please)

Retaliation approaches.

It is possible for you to take civil action if you think that they have maliciously tarnished your character.

As far as group litigation is concerned, what are we actually paying for at jj's? No-one has a right to charge for the water? Group litigation could be set up on this basis alone.

Message to jj from a laymans perspective.

JJ if you are reading any of this, surely you can see what a mess you are making of things. This is an aggressive attitude towards the hand that feeds you. The fact is that, as it stands at the moment a major part of your business is built on weak foundations.

It takes a real man to shake hands, apologise and get back on the right side. I'm sure that with the right attitude it is at least possible to retain a successful rafting business and charge people a reasonable fee for the use of your facilities.
Rethink your business strategy now and save face, it's unlikely that you'll win this war whatever the outcome of this petty issue.

NM

by **Tom_Laws** on Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:43 am

aleeivel wrote:
Tom_Laws wrote:That's utter genius....

JJs againsts paddlers

Description:
For everyone who thinks the bahaver of JJ sucks

I thought it about hit the spot

Really? What spot was that?

by **cookie** on Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:45 am

Nofio Mawr wrote: I'm sure that with the right attitude it is at least possible to retain a successful rafting business and charge people a reasonable fee for the use of your facilities.

NM

Are you having a laugh, a reasonable fee. I take it you do not know how much they charge for a crap stretch of river. Go to the Tryweryn, it's far cheaper and more of a rafting experience. What ever you do, do not give you hard earned cash to these *****.

by **moose** on Sun Jun 22, 2008 1:09 am

Is it not time now for a change in tactics...Thread after thread of JJ's problems are popping up all to frequently. I have sent JJ's an email a couple of weeks ago but alas I have recieved no reply. Could we try a little mediation, Lets talk, Iron out our differences, Perhaps look how we can make this very ugly situation turn in to a positive situation for all. We have long been asking for basic dialog amongst our fisher foes. Let us now not become enemies amongs ourselves.

Can we not book a hall (I think there is a scout hall thats available) and have a friendly chat and at least try and reslove a few problems. Some of which could be just mis-understandings but without open and free dialog we are going to get knowhere.

Lets talk
Andrew farrell

JJs had me arrested tonight,

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