CE to remove quallys?

[Mark Allen]

Whilst paddling The Dart yesterday (highiesh flows) I heard a rumer that CE would be looking at taking peoples quallys away should they not conform to the new so called access agreement??? I presume this is just a rumer, but..................??

[Simon Westgarth]

Whilst paddling The Dart yesterday (highiesh flows) I heard a rumer that CE would be looking at taking peoples quallys away should they not conform to the new so called access agreement??? I presume this is just a rumer, but..................??

It's highly unlikely, as the position of access within the law is rather contested, CE included, so for them to exercise authority over people's ability to make a living would need to be on some what firmer ground, like child protection issues.

[morsey]

Simon you are aware that BCU/CE took action, not that long ago against coaches, resulting in them facing disciplinary action from their employer?

Simon/Mark if you want to check, you could ask the coach from Millfield School in Somerset, they had an incident paddling outside of agreement on the Barle within a year or so. BCU/CE SW gave support, but there has been no confirmation whether BCU/CE HQ endorsed that support or not. The recent changes in BCU/CE SW suggest it is in your interest to try and find out whether that support is there or whether the rumour Mark is hearing is correct.

[twopigs]

Sounds unlikely..... Remember they discovered that they could not take away people's coaching qualifications, even if they were lapsed......

[Chaucer]

Sounds unlikely..... Remember they discovered that they could not take away people's coaching qualifications, even if they were lapsed......

Sorry to hijack this thread - but does that mean I can still call myself Senior Instructor Inland Kayak? (not that I have a reason to use it anymore and it might be a bit sad)

[Jim_MWX]

Probably missing some info on this but sounds like a load of bull.

[morsey]

Jim would this affect you if it were true? If yes then maybe it is in your interest to bring up the issue directly with BCU/CE. Should take you one phone call/email to put this rumour to bed with confirmation from BCU/CE.

[purelandexpeditions.com]

This just arrived in my FB account -

Donna Marshall

Hi Darren - Can't post to your comment for some reason but we'd be grateful if you could relay this back...

Thank you for mentioning this. That is just a rumour. The stance CE has on Access Arrangements and other matters has been laid out in the FAQs on the CE website in the Waterways and Environment Section. eg; Can Canoe England expect non members to follow the arrangements by them?
• Canoe England would encourage all canoeists to work with Access Arrangements, where they exist, and especially where there are evidence based seasonal measures to protect habitats to be taken into account.

Regards

Daz

[-Ginge-]

Imagine this situation. You are paddling outside of an agreement in decent flows and are approached by ' A BCU access officer with the power to remove your qualification'. They ask you who you are and for your BCU number, surely you just tell them you have never been or will be a member of the BCU and are just a regular paddler with no quals. Now unless you happen to be Mr Simon Westgarth or a similar well known coach who regularly paddles the Dart, it seems particually unlikely that they can (will be bothered) to do any more. Unless they are the police you have no reason to tell them whom you are so they will never know. Unless you have your BCU sticker on your boat, in which case you don't paddle regularly enough for it not to have washed off, so it's your own problem.

The names used in the above example are purely fictional and any similarity to persons alive or deceased is purely coincidental.

[jmmoxon]

Fortunately there is no such person as an access OFFICER....

Mike

[morsey]

Daz can you use your line of communication to get a direct reply to the question below (It has been ignored in private message by Chloe Nelson, in forward mail by Adam Box, in direct email to BCU/CE it was refused an answer, and ignored on BCU/CE facebook. The Q&A's are vague at best, and a definitive response of what BCU/CE actually did in response to coaches working outside of an agreement should be provided. BCU/CE stated they would not bring any measures, then they did, now they are saying they will not!?! Coaches should be demanding actual answers on this matter. If BCU/CE are stating they will not chastise paddlers or coaches, then they should give justification for why the coaches on the Ure had to face disciplinary proceedings due to the involvement of BCU/CE staff?

Thankyou for the reply Chloe...

...Also can you confirm that the BCU (From Chris Hawkesworth) sent incriminating evidence to the council which runs the outdoor centre involved in the (Ure) dispute which went back on the written word of Paul Owen when he categorically stated that paddlers would not face any re-incriminations from BCU for paddling outside of agreements?

[purelandexpeditions.com]

To clear up, I dont have any connection to the person that posted in my fb account and the answers given. I would be happy to send further questions to her via FB in the hope that we all get answers.

D

[SimonMW]

Fortunately there is no such person as an access OFFICER....

And if there was, when asked to confirm their ID they would neither be able to confirm nor deny that they were who they said they were. If questioned further they would then ban you from their line of site and tell you to ask all your questions via email.

[Jim_MWX]

Jim would this affect you if it were true? If yes then maybe it is in your interest to bring up the issue directly with BCU/CE. Should take you one phone call/email to put this rumour to bed with confirmation from BCU/CE.

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It would, but it isn't.

[morsey]

Jim, can I ask on what basis you state that it isn't true? I would presume you could provide a written response from BCU/CE that categorically states that paddlers/coaches will not be chastised, in any format, for paddling outside of agreements!


Daz thanks if you can follow up the questions, I have drawn a blank several times over.


Mark is there any more info to go with the original post?



BTW. I was paddling in Wales the other day, so not myself that was bounding any rumours.

[Mark Allen]

Mark is there any more info to go with the original post?

No sorry - It came from a South West paddler, but cannot remember for the life of me who it was - sorry for being usless...

[Big Henry]

Sounds to me that until someone gets a reply from CE/BCU then this is just going to continue as speculation.

[Jim_MWX]

Jim, can I ask on what basis you state that it isn't true? I would presume you could provide a written response from BCU/CE that categorically states that paddlers/coaches will not be chastised, in any format, for paddling outside of agreements!


Daz thanks if you can follow up the questions, I have drawn a blank several times over.


Mark is there any more info to go with the original post?



BTW. I was paddling in Wales the other day, so not myself that was bounding any rumours.

Hi

I put it on the basis that is a rumour, and as such can't be verified either way. It was just my opinion on it. Tis but a rumor, and an interesting one at that. I mean, why would they want to do it, they would remove a significant source of their income!