I wasn't really trying to ascertain your company viewpoint, plus to your credit you have always been quite clear about your views. It was more the fact that for each day in winter that you take a group on the Upper when the levels are below the ledge, or when walking into the East Lyn with the gauge reading below red, what occurs is no doubt a quality day on the river, where you are able to deliver a high end course. And, that sets a benchmark of the quality of available paddling in low levels. Now I understand your position is that you would not want confrontation and hence do not paddle far passed the start of the fishing open season in the UK. But that is not a decision based on the possibility of good paddling, it is based on complete compromise of paddlers and zero compromise by anglers. That position, no matter how much you say the situation has improved, has not changed. The close season is not at the control of anglers, it is forced upon them because they over fish and destroy fish stocks, and very importantly it has nothing to do with paddlers. And, for those paddlers who are not fortunate to spend three quarters of the year outside of the UK, clubs/schools/outdoor centres, there is very little incentive to compromise three seasons of paddling when conditions exist to sustain paddling with no environmental impact.Simon Westgarth wrote:Gene17's position
Anglers defence of exclusive use of rivers has no standing in any legal format in the UK. Their Environmental claims are not backed up by fact or practise. Following verbal discussion with the EA for the river Wye:
The By-law breaches are minor indiscretions, they do not even register on the "environmental" scale. And there is no suggestion that those figures are not representative of all other rivers. Yes the Dart is a different type of river but there has been zero environmental damage caused across all rivers, including the entire period that Canoe Wales have stepped back from agreements.I asked directly what the actual number of incidents of bye-law breaches by canoeists was. The answer, over the passed five years; "three or four". Several thousand canoeists a year and the "problems" are less than one tenth of one percent!
It is quite simple: If DFA want to make up restrictions then that should be an end to negotiation. 365 days paddling nothing less. If Anglers feel hard done by about their close season they can take that up with the EA/DEFRA, it is no reason to think that they can have three seasons exclusive use of rivers whilst everyone else makes do with one.